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I had seen the youtube video portion of the show prior to seeing the article. It makes perfect sense that Grier, and Flores weren't in the same page in a lot of our personnel decisions. Bill Parcells gives a nice insight on his perspective based
on his very own experience, and this can shed light in a lot of these fallouts. I don't think there wasn't any right or wrong take to take in this situation since this is expected when some philosophies don't match. If a coach believes he can win
with certain personnel then great, but at what point as a game manager does his best to bring the coaches the players he wants? How much was it Flores input to draft any of the players in any of these drafts, and how much was greater input
from Grier? The head coach will bring staff that he believes will be able to run the franchise, and was the staff currently in place ideal for the job?

Let's just say, if someone like Harbaugh comes in, and wants to make some specific changes. How much
trust will the head coach receive in making calls for personnel decisions? One reminder that I want to throw out there to you guys is a coach by the name of Dave Wannstedt. He was given the reigns not once, but twice. It took the Bears some time before they could come up with a winning season after he blew many personnel moves as a coach with management power. He was given the same reigns again by the Miami Dolphins. The Dolphins couldn't recover from all the draft picks we gave away, and all the bad draft picks that didn't turn out great for us. In fact, the Dolphins weren't able to fully recovery for almost a decade. So a coach must never be given that much power to make calls, it hasn't turn out well for us at all.

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Bill Parcells Talks About Brian Flores Being Fired in Miami - Miami Dolphins

Bill Parcells on ESPN Radio says he doesn’t know what the thinking was in Miami with the firing of Brian Flores. He talks about Chris Grier being in his NFL draft room when he was only 12 or 13 years old up in New England. EDITOR’S NOTE: DOLPHINS TALK IS PARTNERING WITH OUR GOOD FRIENDS […]
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juniorseau55 said:
I had seen the youtube video portion of the show prior to seeing the article. It makes perfect sense that Grier, and Flores weren't in the same page in a lot of our personnel decisions. Bill Parcells gives a nice insight on his perspective based
on his very own experience, and this can shed light in a lot of these fallouts. I don't think there wasn't any right or wrong take to take in this situation since this is expected when some philosophies don't match. If a coach believes he can win
with certain personnel then great, but at what point as a game manager does his best to bring the coaches the players he wants? How much was it Flores input to draft any of the players in any of these drafts, and how much was greater input
from Grier? The head coach will bring staff that he believes will be able to run the franchise, and was the staff currently in place ideal for the job?

Let's just say, if someone like Harbaugh comes in, and wants to make some specific changes. How much
trust will the head coach receive in making calls for personnel decisions? One reminder that I want to throw out there to you guys is a coach by the name of Dave Wannstedt. He was given the reigns not once, but twice. It took the Bears some time before they could come up with a winning season after he blew many personnel moves as a coach with management power. He was given the same reigns again by the Miami Dolphins. The Dolphins couldn't recover from all the draft picks we gave away, and all the bad draft picks that didn't turn out great for us. In fact, the Dolphins weren't able to fully recovery for almost a decade. So a coach must never be given that much power to make calls, it hasn't turn out well for us at all.

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Bill Parcells Talks About Brian Flores Being Fired in Miami - Miami Dolphins

Bill Parcells on ESPN Radio says he doesn’t know what the thinking was in Miami with the firing of Brian Flores. He talks about Chris Grier being in his NFL draft room when he was only 12 or 13 years old up in New England. EDITOR’S NOTE: DOLPHINS TALK IS PARTNERING WITH OUR GOOD FRIENDS […]
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IMO, it's not the 'trust the new HC will be given in personnel moves - the new HC WILL BE trusted in his personnel moves and will be given the freedom to make those moves. If not, prepare for another FistPump/Queasy.
It is apparent Flo did not leave on good terms and, if NFL is like other businesses, the new hire candidate will seek out all info he can on the organization and the employee he replaced.
Flo: Well, Iggy and Jax were Grier's picks. I had no say. I didn't want to get rid of Flowers, but Flo overruled me.
New candidate: I've also been offered the Chi job. I'll go where I can pick my own roster.
I doubt Harbaugh or Pederson would accept that limitation.
 
fansinceGWilson said:
IMO, it's not the 'trust the new HC will be given in personnel moves - the new HC WILL BE trusted in his personnel moves and will be given the freedom to make those moves. If not, prepare for another FistPump/Queasy.
It is apparent Flo did not leave on good terms and, if NFL is like other businesses, the new hire candidate will seek out all info he can on the organization and the employee he replaced.
Flo: Well, Iggy and Jax were Grier's picks. I had no say. I didn't want to get rid of Flowers, but Flo overruled me.
New candidate: I've also been offered the Chi job. I'll go where I can pick my own roster.
I doubt Harbaugh or Pederson would accept that limitation.
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Is a two way street at the end of the day. If the GM doesn't listen to the HC input but in turns make great decisions that is one thing. We weren't there to know what they both disagreed with but if we were in dire need of a tackle, and there were uncertainties around Jackson then we should have focused on another position on need that had the best player available. I can't sit here and say "you live and learn from mistakes" because he's a pro gm that should be careful in his moves. We can talk about players being drafted that are great but the offensive line has been a nightmare for 4 years in a row.
 
juniorseau55 said:
Is a two way street at the end of the day. If the GM doesn't listen to the HC input but in turns make great decisions that is one thing. We weren't there to know what they both disagreed with but if we were in dire need of a tackle, and there were uncertainties around Jackson then we should have focused on another position on need that had the best player available. I can't sit here and say "you live and learn from mistakes" because he's a pro gm that should be careful in his moves. We can talk about players being drafted that are great but the offensive line has been a nightmare for 4 years in a row.
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A competent OL coach would go a LONG way. Trust me.
 
My take -- we land a legit top shelf OL coach and suddenly all those OL picks will look better.

In addition -- everyone with eyes agreed Iggy was raw but had immense upside...

Have we once again lacked player development?

Are there coaches out there who can get more performance from our under-performing positions?

And that includes QB coach.

Obviously the entire process is totally collaborative. Talent acquisition and development.

What was SO ALARMING about this season is that so many players seemed to regress!

That's a "problem" that literally destroys your future!

For me -- bottom line, Flo is a total enigma and seemingly a pretty weird dude.

Hey, we had that with Gase too! Nice consistency!

BNF
 
Getting rid of Flores was so dumb. This year we could've had Watson and fill in needs. Tua ain't the worst QB but he will never be a top 15 QB.
 
BigNastyFish said:
My take -- we land a legit top shelf OL coach and suddenly all those OL picks will look better.

In addition -- everyone with eyes agreed Iggy was raw but had immense upside...

Have we once again lacked player development?

Are there coaches out there who can get more performance from our under-performing positions?

And that includes QB coach.

Obviously the entire process is totally collaborative. Talent acquisition and development.

What was SO ALARMING about this season is that so many players seemed to regress!

That's a "problem" that literally destroys your future!

For me -- bottom line, Flo is a total enigma and seemingly a pretty weird dude.

Hey, we had that with Gase too! Nice consistency!

BNF
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The dilemma is…

Do we assume a new OL coach will improve the level of play of guys like Jackson, Dieter, Eichenberg and roll into 2022 with the same players?

Do we sign two top-shelf FAs to take the guesswork out of it?

The FA decisions will need to made before we have any evidence of possible improvement from the holdovers.
 
Grier has stated that he won't pick a player his coach doesn't want. So it's impossible for us to know whom Grier would have taken on his own. Ross, may have that info. But several of the issues on our OL this season seem to be the result of Flo forcing moves.

I also don't think it's a given that Watson would ever be here. My understanding is that Ross doesn't want Watson with the legal issues. Flo, pushing that agenda was bad for him and bad for the Dolphins.
 
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