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I know the season is half over and people are clamoring for a true number one receive and here is some evidence as to why I think that, 1) a big name trade or draft isn’t going to be made this off season for a receiver 2) Miami is going to be fine with a few minor additions to the receivers and 3) don’t be surprised if Miami doesn’t have a thousand yard receiver in years to come.


Thousand Yard Receivers Coated By Parcells:

Earnest Gray -83
Mark Bavaro -86
Lionel Manuel - 88
Ben Coats - 94
Terry Glenn x 3 - 96, 05, 06
Wayne Chrebet - 98
Keyshawn Johnson x2 - 98, 99
Terrell Owens - 06

Years without a thousand yard receiver - 84, 85, 87, 89, 90, 93, 95, 97, 03, 04.

Two of these are tight ends so don’t be surprised if the search or draft yields a TE upgrade over a receiver next year and it is no surprise why Martin and Fasano had good years in 08.

Only 98, 06 did two receivers gain over 1000 yards together with Glenn and Johnson the only two to hit the mark twice with Parcells.

Parcells Team Passing Totals by Year:

83 – 3840
84 – 4066
85 – 3829
86 – 3500
87 – 3645 – Side Note: 23 people on this team caught a pass for yardage.
88 – 3716
89 – 3555
90 – 2898
93 – 3412
94 – 4583
95 – 3789
96 – 4091
97 – 3555
98 – 4032
99 – 3001
03 – 3347
04 – 3636
05 – 3639
06 – 4067

Now if you agree that Parcells is the architect of the team and Sparano is following his lead the numbers don’t lie, look at the Dolphins totals and you can clearly read what is in store for the next few years:

Dolphins under Sparano:

08 – Dolphins, No thousand yard receiver, 3761 yards of team passing.

09 – The Dolphins will not have a thousand yard receiver and are on pace for 3000 yards of team passing this year.

2010 - Is not going to be different with the receivers and to those clamoring for a number one I would be surprised to see it happen. If you run down the list of receivers Bill had on his teams it isn’t a who’s who of receivers so to speak. This group of receivers going forward is going to be a “Blue Collar” bunch so to speak hard working and tough but not flashy and arrogant. Upgrades will be made in 2010 but more then likely they will leave you scratching you head asking “who the hell is that guy” or “why didn’t we sign him?”

It is not the receivers in Miami that define the system now in places, it is the staff that is in place that defines the passing offense. This is not Shula and Marino in the glory years, so I would not expect the second coming of the Mark brothers any time soon or the signing of any big names.

 
Great analysis, and you make a good point here. We will get the yardage. I think what is really frustrating everyone, though, is the lack of a big-time receiver who is CLUTCH more than prolific (though they usually go hand-in-hand). We've played (and thrown) well enough in at least 3 losses to win the game, but lost all because the 'big money' catch... wasn't. I do agree, though, that we'll get the yardage from the pieces (+1 add) that we have in place.
 
Good research, but I totally disagree. Our coaches will address the weakest positions on our team and WR is clearly the top of the list. This regimes strategy was to build this team from the inside out. It is now time to invest in the out.

Parcell's drafts have included spending high picks on WRs in the past...Terry Glenn with the "7th" overall pick and Keyshawn Johnson was the "1st" overall pick in the draft.

His drafts have also included WRs in the 2nd round...Vincent Brisby at #56, Kevin Lee at #35, Alex Van Dyke at #31, Antonio Bryant at #63.

Parcell's is smart enough to see this year that having a solid group of WRs, including a legit #1, would leave us with a winning record right now. I believe if they think there is a WR that is a value pick with this years 1st round draft pick they take him. If they don't think they are getting value with 1st round pick then I see them taking best WR available with 2nd round pick.
 
Just play Devils Advocate here. When was the last time that style (Parcell's) won him a Superbowl? Has the NFL changed to a vertical threat passing game? Our the NFL's best teams not all stretching the field with the pass?

You did a great job with your research but the NFL game has evolved. It is even a way different game then when Parcell's coached at Dallas. This has been a question I have had with Parcell's for a very long time. Is he to stubborn to admit or change his theories? Just look at our so called gimmick plays, 90% our just ways to create mismatches and overloads to run the ball. Looking back at teams to play in the Superbowl in recent years the only team that did it without a stud receiver was the Bears.
 
Just play Devils Advocate here. When was the last time that style (Parcell's) won him a Superbowl? Has the NFL changed to a vertical threat passing game? Our the NFL's best teams not all stretching the field with the pass?

You did a great job with your research but the NFL game has evolved. It is even a way different game then when Parcell's coached at Dallas. This has been a question I have had with Parcell's for a very long time. Is he to stubborn to admit or change his theories? Just look at our so called gimmick plays, 90% our just ways to create mismatches and overloads to run the ball. Looking back at teams to play in the Superbowl in recent years the only team that did it without a stud receiver was the Bears.


I agree with your points entirely and the NFL has evolved. What I do however think is this, you will not see a number 1 pick used on a receiver nor will a trade be made for a "big" name guy.

What I do think the front office must and has to do is secure a receiver and/or tight end that will catch the ball in the clutch. That is the one thing this team is missing and needs and it will also help with the development of Henne for years to come.

If you want my guess as to what this team evolves into in two years on the offensive side of the ball, it will be run to set up the pass.

Just play Devils Advocate here. When was the last time that style (Parcell's) won him a Superbowl? Has the NFL changed to a vertical threat passing game? Our the NFL's best teams not all stretching the field with the pass?


The answer to your question about when the last time style of this offence won the Super Bowl, the New York Giants in 2007, 1 - thousand yard receiver in Burress (1025), 15 players caught balls for yardage, team passing total of 3376 and before that it was the New England Patriots in 01, 03 and 04, 1 – thousand yard receiver in three years and that was Troy Brown in 01 (1199). 17 in 01, 15 in 03 and 15 in 04 caught balls for yardage with total team passing 3326, 3651 and 3750 respectably, one receiver in all three years eclipsed 1000 yards, it was until Rand Moss, Welker that the Pats had two guy over 1000 yards and they lost to the above mentioned Parcells style Giants in 07.
 
I agree with your points entirely and the NFL has evolved. What I do however think is this, you will not see a number 1 pick used on a receiver nor will a trade be made for a "big" name guy.

What I do think the front office must and has to do is secure a receiver and/or tight end that will catch the ball in the clutch. That is the one thing this team is missing and needs and it will also help with the development of Henne for years to come.

If you want my guess as to what this team evolves into in two years on the offensive side of the ball, it will be run to set up the pass.




The answer to your question about when the last time style of this offence won the Super Bowl, the New York Giants in 2007, 1 - thousand yard receiver in Burress (1025), 15 players caught balls for yardage, team passing total of 3376 and before that it was the New England Patriots in 01, 03 and 04, 1 – thousand yard receiver in three years and that was Troy Brown in 01 (1199). 17 in 01, 15 in 03 and 15 in 04 caught balls for yardage with total team passing 3326, 3651 and 3750 respectably, one receiver in all three years eclipsed 1000 yards, it was until Rand Moss, Welker that the Pats had two guy over 1000 yards and they lost to the above mentioned Parcells style Giants in 07.

You prove my point right here! Burress was a go to guy that stretched the field. Those Patriot teams all had guys that could stretch the field Brown, Branch, Givens, Patten. Steelers had Burress/Ward their first year and Ward/Holmes last year. I am just saying until we get that threat we are very easy to defend no matter how good our run game is!

I think this off season will go a long way in determining if the Miami Dolphins become a team that can win a Superbowl or just a good NFL team that appears in the post season. Personally I want a Superbowl! The Dolphins have been a team that wins and gets to the playoffs my entire life I would like to see them go all the way!
 
If Parcells continues to draft the way he has done in the past then the dolphins will continue to have the same problems as we have had in 2008 and 2009. Gotta keep up with the times, the league is continually moving to a more passing-friendly league.
 
That's a good post. Good research. I can't help, but wonder if those number are squewed? BP teams have always had good running games. They didn't need to throw all the time. That will bring your passing yards down no matter how good your WRs are. I think a better question would be did those BP teams have a WR who was capable of having a 1000 yard season? I can't remember who they were, I if I remember correctly, BP teams did have a deep threat even if he wasn't used all the time.
 
I don't think we necessarily need a Larry Fitzgerald or Randy Moss type of WR. If our this year's WRs played as good as last year's, we'd be 5-3. As long as we have a group of sure handed guys that can be counted on, our offense will be fine. Not prolific, but steady. What we really need is a good TE. Fasano was drop prone last year, but he's been a bigger bust than Ted Ginn this year.
 
If the Dolphins ran a "real" offense, then Henne might have some value. However when he has to split his time between Ronnie Brown and Pat White, and never is truly given the opportunity to develop any real rhythm, he's already starting with one hand tied behind his back before we even get into the discussion of the quality of his receivers.
 
i think you'd have to include Jason Witten and Antonio Bryant. even though they didn't have 1000 yards under Parcells, they did in the NFL. so, basically he isn't afraid to pick the players with the potential to have 1000+ yards.
 
Just play Devils Advocate here. When was the last time that style (Parcell's) won him a Superbowl? Has the NFL changed to a vertical threat passing game? Our the NFL's best teams not all stretching the field with the pass?

You did a great job with your research but the NFL game has evolved. It is even a way different game then when Parcell's coached at Dallas. This has been a question I have had with Parcell's for a very long time. Is he to stubborn to admit or change his theories? Just look at our so called gimmick plays, 90% our just ways to create mismatches and overloads to run the ball. Looking back at teams to play in the Superbowl in recent years the only team that did it without a stud receiver was the Bears.

Just to bring up the obvious counterpoint here...

How many Super bowls have the Pats won?

How many have they won with Welker & Moss?

When they DID win it was with pedestrian wrs, not with those gaudy passing stats.

Even if you look at Kurt Warner who is one of my favorite players, the Rams just barely won that superbowl. The colts with Manning are the same. They won by the skin on their teeth.
 
You prove my point right here! Burress was a go to guy that stretched the field. Those Patriot teams all had guys that could stretch the field Brown, Branch, Givens, Patten. Steelers had Burress/Ward their first year and Ward/Holmes last year. I am just saying until we get that threat we are very easy to defend no matter how good our run game is!

I think this off season will go a long way in determining if the Miami Dolphins become a team that can win a Superbowl or just a good NFL team that appears in the post season. Personally I want a Superbowl! The Dolphins have been a team that wins and gets to the playoffs my entire life I would like to see them go all the way!


Burress is a good receiver not great and a huge target in the end zone and he didn't have to be great just good in that system. The 04 Pats leading receivers were David Patten and David Given with 800 and 874 yards respectively and the 03 Pats are even worse with Deion Branch at 803 yards, then next highest receiving total on the 03 team, David Givens at 510.

The receivers on these teams are good but not great, some will not even make the hall of fame. You can also make the case that the Steelers in 05 and 08 followed the same blueprint with Ward and Co. leading the way.

The receivers have to be good but not great in the Parcells system I agree we need a possession receiver in a huge way but plenty of teams have won with out great receivers. A true possession receiver is what Miami is lacking not raw outside speed.

My point is there are ways to address this shortcoming with out breaking the bank or trading picks away.
 
Good research, but I totally disagree. Our coaches will address the weakest positions on our team and WR is clearly the top of the list. This regimes strategy was to build this team from the inside out. It is now time to invest in the out.

Parcell's drafts have included spending high picks on WRs in the past...Terry Glenn with the "7th" overall pick and Keyshawn Johnson was the "1st" overall pick in the draft.

His drafts have also included WRs in the 2nd round...Vincent Brisby at #56, Kevin Lee at #35, Alex Van Dyke at #31, Antonio Bryant at #63.

Parcell's is smart enough to see this year that having a solid group of WRs, including a legit #1, would leave us with a winning record right now. I believe if they think there is a WR that is a value pick with this years 1st round draft pick they take him. If they don't think they are getting value with 1st round pick then I see them taking best WR available with 2nd round pick.
Keyshawn Johnson was taken the season before Parcells got to the Jest. Terry Glenn was forced on him by Bob Kraft. The only first round receiver that he has ever taken willingly was Mark Ingram.
 
The only problem is Bill parcells isn't coaching this team.

Keyshawn Johnson was taken the season before Parcells got to the Jest. Terry Glenn was forced on him by Bob Kraft. The only first round receiver that he has ever taken willingly was Mark Ingram.

Mark Ingram was selected by George Young.

BP's drafted WRs:

1993:

-vincent Brisby 2nd rd- blah
-Troy brown great pick(was 8th rd pick)

1994:

-Kevin Lee in rd 2- who?
-Darrell Mitchell 6th rd- who?


1997:

-dedric ward 3rd rd, he was ok

1998:

-Chris Brazzell 6th rd.


2003:

-Zuriel Smith 6th rd

2004:

Patrick Crayton 7th rd- decent player

2006:

Skyler Green 4th rd



BP isn't a good drafter overall anyway but he's done a terrible job drafting WRs
 
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