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Since Bill has taken the helm of our titanic I have heard the name Gholston a lot. I read up on him and he fits the OLB on a 3-4 bill...IF he is a guy parcells wants, what does our LB core look like? I thought JT and JP are the OLB's in our 3-4 because JT doesn't have the size for the 3-4 de.

Leading me to my main question; with each position how many players do we currently have that fits the parcells size prototype?

Lastly are there any true 3-4 NT in FA, through the draft, or on our roster?
 
Jawamba said:
Since Bill has taken the helm of our titanic I have heard the name Gholston a lot. I read up on him and he fits the OLB on a 3-4 bill...IF he is a guy parcells wants, what does our LB core look like? I thought JT and JP are the OLB's in our 3-4 because JT doesn't have the size for the 3-4 de.

Leading me to my main question; with each position how many players do we currently have that fits the parcells size prototype?

Lastly are there any true 3-4 NT in FA, through the draft, or on our roster?
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Isaac Sopoaga NT - 49ers is a good guy through FA. Although the team will try to bring him back.

As for the draft IMO

Red Bryant - Texas A&M
Jason Shirley - Fresno St.
Frank Morton - Tulane
B.J. Raji - BC - academically ineligible and a little short

other than you got me.
 
Shirley is a head case that will not be tolerated with this staff, Raji is not coming out I dont believe and, Red Bryant might be a little tall to play a true NT position. Two names to remember in the 2-3 rd area

Pat Sims 6-2 320 NT Auburn probably wont last till our 2nd 2rd pick. Raw but huge upside. Jr who delclared early.

Abtyha Rubin 62 315 NT Iwa St projected as a 4 rdr now but moving up quickly could be as high as a 2nd rdr by the time the draft rolls around. Supposedly has a great attitude which is usually not the case with these big guys

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Isaac Sopoaga NT - 49ers is a good guy through FA. Although the team will try to bring him back.

As for the draft IMO

Red Bryant - Texas A&M
Jason Shirley - Fresno St.
Frank Morton - Tulane
B.J. Raji - BC - academically ineligible and a little short

other than you got me.
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how tall is red bryant because Shaun Rogers plays NT and hes 6'4'' 340lbs
 
A player like JT doesnt need to fit his prototype for a 3-4 OLB, because he has already produced at a high level at the position. When you are talking about an established (potentially HOF) player, the size variable is pretty much thrown out the window. Now of course that is unless the guy is completely wrong for the scheme, which JT has shown he is not. So I dont think it affects him much. Draft picks and younger FAs, absolutely, but JT? Not so much.
 
JT would definitely be an OLB in the 3-4. wright and holliday would be the ends and soliai would be the NT. soliai would hopefully just be a backup because he is not good enough to take on 2 or 3 lineman just yet. ellis would be nice. JT and porter would be blitzing like it was going out of style, like porter should have been doing this year. JT just wouldnt be effective as an end in the 3-4.
 
the real question is would ZT be pushed out the door if we switch to a 3-4? because he definitely doesnt have the size for a MLB in the 3-4. lineman swallow him whole as it is, no way he could survive in the 3-4. i really wanted to see him retire a dolphin, but who knows.
 
maybe if we did that hybrid defense i heard about a few years ago then he could survive. have him in there while in the 4-3. the good thing about holliday and wright are they have the size to be an end in the 3-4 or a tackle in the 4-3. he would have to take a very significant paycut for this situation, however. he11, he needs to take a big paycut anyways. ZT retiring wouldnt do us much good and he wouldnt garner a high draft pick in a trade, so............
 
Dolfan1000 said:
A player like JT doesnt need to fit his prototype for a 3-4 OLB, because he has already produced at a high level at the position. When you are talking about an established (potentially HOF) player, the size variable is pretty much thrown out the window. Now of course that is unless the guy is completely wrong for the scheme, which JT has shown he is not. So I dont think it affects him much. Draft picks and younger FAs, absolutely, but JT? Not so much.
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So the odds that we draft a 3-4 OLB with #1 (if kept) are slim...Does Jake Long fit the LT mold? Carey fits a guard mold so that would move him and leave the LT open for either Long or FA LT (cowboys current LT perhaps?)
 
I recall our new coach saying some like "you adjust the system to fit the players, not the players to fit the system." If he goes by his words unless they can pick up players through the draft or FA that can be prototype 3 - 4 players its possible they may play more 4 -3. Maybe a system like they ran in 2006 which was some 3 - 4 and some 4 - 3.
 
I want to see how Parcells goes about Ted Ginn being our future #1 WR or at least a #2.

Parcells likes big receivers, and it took him YEARS to begin liking Terry Glenn from what I've read.
 
Raoul Duke said:
how tall is red bryant because Shaun Rogers plays NT and hes 6'4'' 340lbs
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Bryant is listed at 6'5". It is not all about how tall a player is but rather how low can he play at that position and maintain leverage etc. Taller players have more trouble staying low but it is not impossible. Bryant did not play the nose position at A&M. Henry did, Therefore we can assume that he might have some difficulty playing the NT position. It is not for certain but just because a guy has bulk in excess of 320 it does not mean he can play the NT postion. Paul Soloi is an example of that from last years draft.
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What are Parcells prototypical player size and attributes by position? Anyone know? Here is what I was thinking in terms of...

QB: 6'5" rocket armed pocket passer OR 6'2" scrambler?
RB: 230lb bruiser who steamrolls defenses in the 4th OR 190lb juker who can take it to the house on any carry?
WR: 6'4" big physical receivers who can run block and aggresively go for the ball OR 5'10" 4.2 40 yard burners who can stretch the defense?
TE: Pass catchers or run blockers?
DL: Lighter pass rushing ends with a big nasty DT or bigger run stoppers on the line?
LB: Big physical hitters or lighter speedsters to swarm the ball carrier?
DB: Lock down corners or bigger physical corners for run support?
 
Jawamba said:
Since Bill has taken the helm of our titanic I have heard the name Gholston a lot. I read up on him and he fits the OLB on a 3-4 bill...IF he is a guy parcells wants, what does our LB core look like? I thought JT and JP are the OLB's in our 3-4 because JT doesn't have the size for the 3-4 de.

Leading me to my main question; with each position how many players do we currently have that fits the parcells size prototype?

Lastly are there any true 3-4 NT in FA, through the draft, or on our roster?
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If the 3-4 really does come about (I think it will) and if as JT says, Bill does decide to keep him, and Gholston is added; I think it looks like this.

WOLB - Taylor, A. Wright
WILB - Porter
SILB - Crowder
SOLB - Gholston, Q. Moses

If JT is gone, then it'd look like this:

WOLB - Porter, A. Wright
WILB - ? and ?
SILB - Crowder
SOLB - Gholston, Q. Moses

I think an ILB is still needed. I'd love to see Beau Bell from UNLV picked in round 3. Eventually though, I think if Gholston is added, he and Quentin Moses would be the OLB's and Porter would move inside.

*Posting under the assumption Zach Thomas is going to retire, otherwise he'd be one of the ILB's.
 
Jawamba said:
Since Bill has taken the helm of our titanic I have heard the name Gholston a lot. I read up on him and he fits the OLB on a 3-4 bill...IF he is a guy parcells wants, what does our LB core look like? I thought JT and JP are the OLB's in our 3-4 because JT doesn't have the size for the 3-4 de.

Leading me to my main question; with each position how many players do we currently have that fits the parcells size prototype?

Lastly are there any true 3-4 NT in FA, through the draft, or on our roster?[/quote]

Yep, his name is Paul Soliai. He's 6'4" and 350 lbs of nimble feet. If you recall, everyone was high on him when drafted in teh 4th round, even considered a steal. We didn't see much out of him this year, but then again we didn't see alot out of JT, Roth, Allen, Holliday, Crowder, Thomas et. al. Should we just cut them all, or should we consider that maybe, just maybe, the coaches who just got fired had a hand in this collective ineptitude? I'm willing to bet it has more to do with the latter. Let's see what the big boy can do with some proper coaching and more productive players around him.
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