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Paul Soliai

Personally, I don't care if a guy is taken at 9 or at 181, as long as he comes in and develops into a playmaker. This "reaching" up and down stuff, because a guy is taken 10 spots too early, is just ridiculous. A guy might be a reach up on one board, and the same guy will be a reach down on another, depending on how they are graded out. Not everyone grades them the same!!!!
 
Phanatical said:
. This reaching up and down stuff is ridiculous.
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I totally agree.. To fabricate that Booker was seen as a 1st round talent in this draft, when it has been proven many times he was viewed upon (by EVERYONE) to going in the 3rd to 4th round, is indeed ridiculous..
 
Furthermore , Satele was never seen as the #1 center in this draft .. Kalil was.. As it clearly shows here.. No major scouting service had Satele as the top center in the draft .. Some had him as low as 4th
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what does any of that have to do with how the dolphins had them rated? satele was clearly the best center WHO CAN ALSO PLAY GAURD available.
sateles versatility alone would obviously rank him higher than kalil ON THE DOLPHINS DRAFT BOARD, and if you think any different than you havent been paying attention to the type of linemen that houck likes.


As for Soliai, I was hoping like hell we got him in the fourth. Plus Soliai represents two things to me: A big, giant, quick, and strong nose tackle and the biggest middle finger Mueller ever sent Carl Peterson.
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:D i was watching the draft with a buddy and when we made that pick i said to him,
"awesome, mueller just told KC they can !@#* themselves!"
 
I've wanted Paul Soliai in a Phins uniform ever since I started looking at the draft. He was a force against our running game here at UCLA and we had planned on using a run-oriented offense. We had a need for NT and Soliai was the best non-1st round guy there. That pick restored my confidence in the FO after that 1st day much publicized debacle.
 
tyson22 said:
what does any of that have to do with how the dolphins had them rated? satele was clearly the best center WHO CAN ALSO PLAY GAURD available.


sateles versatility alone would obviously rank him higher than kalil ON THE DOLPHINS DRAFT BOARD, and if you think any different than you havent been paying attention to the type of linemen that houck likes. ;
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First of all, you don't know where Miami had who rated.. And teams always say they had a guy rated higher than they really did to appease the fans ..

That fact is Kalil is stronger than Satele, he had 11 more bench presses than Satele, and they had the same squat totals at te combine... Kalil is also an inch taller so there is no reason why he can't pack on 10 pounds ..

Cameron also stated Miami is looking for smaller interior lineman, so he probably wouldn't have to even put on weight since that is the case..Cameron also stated our offense will start from the center on out.. He said our offense will be predicated from the center position.. So anyone with half a brain can figure he had the center spot as a top PRIORITY !! And Kalil was firmly the best center in this draft by a good margin ..


And in case you haven't noticed, Miami is looking for mauler's.. And Kalil is that, he is a SUPERIOR run blocker to Satele . Satele's main gripe is he is not a good run blocker.. And Kalil is also superior technique wise..

And finally, You have absolutely no evidence that Miami had Satele rated higher.. That is a cop out.. Kalil was rated as the clear better player by every major scouting service out there. And right before the draft, some of those scouting services claimed he could very well go in the 1st round.. No one ever said that about Satele.

What's funny is, if Miami got Kalil had he dropped a spot further, all of you would be praising we got the best center in the draft and a definite pro bowler at the position for many years to come.. Typical..
 
Thanks for proving my point.. Like I said, Booker wasn't seen as a first rounder, and neither was Satele.. So the person who started this thread is simply fabricating things.. And you notice they had Kalil MUCH higher than Satele .. They even had Satele going 17 spots LOWER (#77) than where Miami got him at which was #60 ..

And as I've always said, Soliai was the only bargain pick we got in the draft.. Very Good pick.

The issue isn't whether people think how these players fit on our team .. I'm just pointing out the fabrications people are making up when they make false statements like most of our picks were projected to go in the first round.. That's just bull..
 
Greyboy said:
Thanks for proving my point.. Like I said, Booker wasn't seen as a first rounder, and neither was Satele.. So the person who started this thread is simply fabricating things.. And you notice they had Kalil MUCH higher than Satele .. They even had Satele going 17 spots LOWER (#77) than where Miami got him at which was #60 ..

And as I've always said, Soliai was the only bargain pick we got in the draft.. Very Good pick.
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I agree
 
Cameron also stated Miami is looking for smaller interior lineman, so he probably wouldn't have to even put on weight since that is the case..Cameron also stated our offense will start from the center on out.. He said our offense will be predicated from the center position.. So anyone with half a brain can figure he had the center spot as a top PRIORITY !! And Kalil was firmly the best center in this draft by a good margin ..


And in case you haven't noticed, Miami is looking for mauler's.. And Kalil is that, he is a SUPERIOR run blocker to Satele . Satele's main gripe is he is not a good run blocker.. And Kalil is also superior technique wise..

And finally, You have absolutely no evidence that Miami had Satele rated higher.. That is a cop out.. Kalil was rated as the clear better player by every major scouting service out there. And right before the draft, some of those scouting services claimed he could very well go in the 1st round.. No one ever said that about Satele.

What's funny is, if Miami got Kalil had he dropped a spot further, all of you would be praising we got the best center in the draft and a definite pro bowler at the position for many years to come.. Typical..
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in case you didnt see this(regarding our interest in pete kendall) on the front page, here it is. if this doesnt tell you how we had people rated than you are not paying attention. typical, right? here is your evidence.

They're also preaching versatility, requiring their lineman be able to play at least two positions. Though predominantly a left guard, Kendall has spent time at center during his 11-year career
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now do you see the type of players we wanted? i never said one negative thing about kalil, i think he will be a great center, but we are looking for VERSATILITY and satele brings way more experience at other line positions than kalil and that is unarguable.
 
Tyson, I know what Cam said "AFTER" the draft .. It's funny that ALL of a sudden, after the draft, he is bringing up this versatility issue.. Before the draft, you never heard about that .. Because they missed out on Kalil , and maybe another lineman they had pegged ... They simply have no choice but to say they need versatile lineman now, because the line is a mess.

And now that they missed out on Kalil , this versatility thing comes out after the draft .. I don't buy it.. It's the same thing with Carey .. There was no mention of him moving to LT before the draft.. The draft comes and goes and they must have missed the tackle they had pegged.. So, let's all of a sudden decide to move carey to LT .. Laughable.

All this fluff from them is obviously "damage control" tactics.. Unless you're naive and take what every team says at face value.. That's foolish .. That's like trusting what a politician says.. last year we never heard Houck talk about versatility.. We had to move guys around because of injury, but never was there talk from him saying he wanted versatile guys.. Now, after the draft, he has no choice to.. So they say this..

Now, I don't dislike Satele.. However, my whole point was this guy was not pegged to go in the 1st round, like the starter of this thread insinuates.. He is essentially saying every pick we had in the first 4 rounds (even Booker) was looked upon as being 1st round picks.. And that's simply not true.. It's the stupidest thing I have ever head.. Quite simply, it's nothing but a total fabrication ..
 
I agree with Greyboy. Nobody here is saying we picked bad players. I like our picks, and am relatively comfortable. What Grey is trying to say is that the original poster is talking up our boys like they were 4 or 5 1st round caliber guys when in fact we got pretty decent value for what we picked, when we picked it. Beck, Satele and Booker all went right about where they should have gone in the market value of the draft. Some may have had them 1st round grades, some 6th round grades, thats moot. To agree only with the people who gave these kids 1st round grades is homerism at its very best and should be avoided. Don't fool yourselves. We might have had the best draft or maybe the worst. It doesnt matter until they start playing the games. The problem is the original post that suggests falsely that we got these awesome guys that everyone wanted and our GMs are geniuses for landing them all when in fact they went right where they should have.
 
Tyson, I know what Cam said "AFTER" the draft .. It's funny that ALL of a sudden, after the draft, he is bringing up this versatility issue.. Before the draft, you never heard about that ..
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again... if this is what you think than you havent been paying attention. its a trait of hudson houck, versatile linemen.
 
What Grey is trying to say is that the original poster is talking up our boys like they were 4 or 5 1st round caliber guys when in fact we got pretty decent value for what we picked, when we picked it.
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read it again. he is saying that the DOLPHINS had these guys graded that way.
It turns out the dolphins had a 1st round grade on the guy!!!! which means we got Ginn (rated 5th on our board) Beck (we tried to trade into the first round - so he was a first round grade) I think Satale was a second round grade but maybe not (from what I've heard and read we had a higher grade on him than the USC center Kalil) which probably puts him only behind Grubbs and Blaylock at Guard for us)
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i dont think we graded every player as a 1st round grade, i think what he is trying to say is these are the guys we wanted the whole time, that they were at the top of the DOPLHINS BOARD, and i agree. i have no doubt in my mind that we had satele graded higher than kalil based on his versatility. i keep refering to paying attention because this is all opinion or "educated guesses" on who we wanted.
ill tell you this, i was watching the draft with a buddy and when pick #9 came around he got all excited about the fact that we were about to get BQ, i told him to relax because i bet they trade down for ted ginn jr.. no trade but we got TG. as soon as that pick was made, i laughed told him to get ready for our trade back in to the bottom of the 1st for the guy i wanted the whole time, Beck. again no trade but we got beck. so guess who he sets his sights on next? kalil.. i said to him "have you not been paying attention?" i bet him 5 bucks it would be satele because of his versatility and told him about the #of positions on the line he had played at hawaii. obviously with kalil not being there my prediction was right but my buddy argued that we would have taken kalil if he was there. (needless to say i didnt get my 5 bucks!)
whos right? who knows? these werent just names i pulled out of a hat, they were the guys that made the most sense in MY EYES because i had been PAYING ATTENTION. my "educated guesses" based on a # of things. we heard alot of talk from our team about Ginn it was obvious we liked him and it was uber-obvious that chambers wanted him. not that that matters but it played a part in my "educated guess". beck was talked alot about as well and his tools and comparisons (brees) led me to that educated guess,(plus it was the guy that i personally wanted, so i was pulling for him anyway). as far as satele, ive already pointed out my feelings on him.

im ecstatic about this draft and i feel like we got the guys we wanted the whole time, the guys that fit this team and our system. so the whole "damage control" theory is a crock as far as im concerned. they dont have to sell me on it because these are the guys i wanted when draft time rolled around. it may be damage control to some of you, but isnt that because we didnt take the guys you wanted or saw as better players? or just that you werent paying attention.
 
krazikarl said:
What do you expect these guys to say? That they had 7th round grades on all the guys they drafted in rounds 1 through 4? Of course not! It's not about what you grade the guy at - it's about what you could have gotten value wise in the draft. And these guys blew it, frankly. Okoye and Hall gave the ninth pick a lot of value (considering that we weren't drafting Quinn). It would've been a very simple matter to talk to the Rams and say, "Hey, you want the top DT on your draft board? We'd like an extra third round pick." Instead we fell in love with silly *** Ted Ginn. What a joke.
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Hows that? Reports say Houston takes Ginn at 10, so your theory is wrong.

Stop thinking Mel Kiper and Mike Mayock are the gods of value and where players should be taken.

Its all about how our organization graded these players, our guys rated Ginn an elite playmaker.
 
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