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Penalties and the Old Regime

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Many of you know that the Dolphins have accumulated 24 penalties through two games, which puts them fairly high up on the list of most penalties in a two-game span in franchise history. It's really comparable, however, to what happened last year in our first two games.

Saban is supposed to be instilling a culture of not making mistakes and not shooting yourself in the foot so I decided to check things out and see if the culprits are largely "Saban" players or "WannSpiel" guys.

Here's what I found.

Guilty Player, Nature of Penalty

Vernon Carey, offensive holding
Lorenzo Diamond, offensive holding
Rex Hadnot, false start
Chris Chambers, false start
Wes Welker, false start
Rex Hadnot, false start
Channing Crowder, pass interference
Jason Taylor, offsides
Reggie Howard, illegal contact
Jason Taylor, offisides
Marty Booker, offensive holding
Matt Roth, unnecessary roughness
Jason Taylor, offsides
Lance Schulters, pass interference
Reggie Howard, illegal contact
Jason Glenn, offensive holding
Matt Roth, offsides
David Boston, offensive holding
Seth McKinney, offensive holding
Rex Hadnot, false start
Channing Crowder, unnecessary roughness
Junior Seau, defensive holding
Vernon Carey, offensive holding
Stockar McDougle, false start

Findings:

Currently, 26 of our 53 active roster players are Wannstedt holdovers. 7 of 11 defensive starters were brought in by the Saban regime. Only 2 of 11 starters on offense were brought in by Saban.

16 of the 24 penalties were called on Wannstedt/Spielman holdovers.

Of the 8 penalties called on Saban players, 4 of them were drawn by rookies (Crowder & Roth). One of the penalties (P.I. against Schulters) has been acknowledged by Saban as a BS call.

My conclusion is there is only so much Saban can do to stop this stuff once the roster is set. You need the best players on the field so unless they are just going wild with the penalties left and right (like McDougle was this preseason) you can't just bench people. Can't fine them either.

You make the changes to the culture in other ways...personnel is a big one. This offseason saw 27 roster spots purged of WannSpiel players and replaced with new Saban players.

Next offseason, expect more.
 
wow. :eek: I have to show my wife this post...This is proof positive that I am not nearly as obsessed as some of you....how do you guys even think this stuff up???

Oh btw, I think that we have a veteran team made up of some pretty stupid people. How many times is Jason Taylor going to get called for offsides this year? He's a leader, others follow. Stupid penalties = stupid people.
 
i expect that this will get better once they get used to the scheme. jason taylor accounts for more than 10% of the penalties with 3. and they were pretty big penalties, really. i don't expect that to continue, and i can't say replacing him would help the team. i do get what you are saying, but i think there are a lot of guys out there who are trying really hard to impress their new coaches, and there are also a lot of guys out there who are still thinking too much at this stage. that will only get better before the year ends.
 
Good post CK.

I think it's a combination of a lot of things. Sloppy culture from the old regime, getting used to new schemes, timing and chemistry. I think our penalty situation will look at lot differently after game 6. I'm an optimist.
 
LOL. Well, being honest though the unnecessary roughness penalty on Channing Crowder may have been one of the single factors that most affected the outcome of the game.

What I would take from these results is that we will not see an easy end to this penalty business. Everyone keeps saying that this is correctable. For some people, it is. Obviously, Jason Taylor is not known for jumping offsides 3 times in 2 games and he may be doing it because he's getting use to the hybrid position. Also, I doubt Wes Welker or Chris Chambers get called many other times for the stuff they did. But there's nothing to me that signals that the penalties will cede much, no matter what Saban does outside of cut the main culprits.
 
Since when does level of talent equate with frequency of penalties?
Don Shula's teams were always one of the least penalized and he had some average talent teams to work with in the late 70's and early 80's.
The old Raiders teams of the 70's and 80's were among the most penalized and they won a couple of SB's.
Penalties are the direct result of coaching (or lack thereof).

Statistics are like an old whore. If you play with her long enough, she'll tell you anything you want.
 
Coach Saban won't stand for those mental errors. I'm sure that he'll get them together and we'll see a declind in the stupid penalites.
 
I didn't suggest that talent level has to do with penalties, I suggested that personnel has to do with penalties. Saban, in his personnel decisions, may actively sacrifice some talent for a guy being a mentally disciplined player. When I say the penalties won't cede until Saban gets the chance to do away with more of the old regime players, I mean that literally there are guys with mentalities that are prone to penalties and he will get rid of those players in favor of guys who knows to be mentally disciplined.
 
Can't let this one leave the front page....good work ck. :)
 
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