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PFF Dolphins grade through week 3

Racefan99 said:
Curious about the very low eichenburg score at center. Did he do some bad things yesterday?
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Eichenberg will never do what I am about to say, but PFF would give Eichenberg no better than 60 even if he pancaked defenders every play. Having said that, I am on record that William is a stud center that we need in there. No, I do not care about the 2 bad snaps out of 70 plays.
 
royalshank said:
So I’ve never actually looked at what these scores mean. Anyone have a link to info?

How could Eich be that bad? How can Bethel be that good? 🤔
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PFF doesn't usually make a ton of sense. They rush out grades, which are done by recent college grads, interns, etc, most of whom haven't played football at any level. If PFF wants grades to mean something, they should get former coaches and players to do the grading, and give them a full week to do it.
 
AZStryker said:
Yup all this “I trust in McD and Grier” stuff is fine, but Eichenberg is what he is, a ticking time bomb for this offense. All the trust and praise goes out the window if and when he costs us games.
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Obviously you didn't get the memo. Eich's sole purpose is to get us to forget that AJ is a first rounder. It appears to be working lol
 
vagrantprodigy said:
Howard has been getting gradually worse since the end of the 2020 season. I've been saying it since early in the 2021 season, and I'm glad the rest of you guys are finally seeing it.
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I don’t know what happened to him, but he looks slow and he is constantly losing his footing. I thought this scheme would help him, but he appears to be beyond help—he’s just done.

We’re going to be eating dead money on his contract for years, but we probably cut him this off-season with a post-June 1 designation. He’s clearly worse than Kohou, will be worse than Ramsey once he’s healthy, and is likely to be overtaken by Cam Smith once he learns the scheme.
 
Marino2.0 said:
I don’t know what happened to him, but he looks slow and he is constantly losing his footing. I thought this scheme would help him, but he appears to be beyond help—he’s just done.

We’re going to be eating dead money on his contract for years, but we probably cut him this off-season with a post-June 1 designation. He’s clearly worse than Kohou, will be worse than Ramsey once he’s healthy, and is likely to be overtaken by Cam Smith once he learns the scheme.
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He got paid and is getting older. Focus on watching just him sometime. His effort has been very hit or miss, especially last year. He gives up on plays too often. Guy just doesn't have the motivation anymore.
 
brumdog44 said:
Some eye popping rankings through three weeks.

QB: Tua 92.2 (1st of 34)

WR: Hill 94.0 (1st of 112)
WR: Waddle 77.3 (14th of 112)
WR: Cracraft 73.1 (27th of 112)
WR: Berrios 70.4 (38th of 112)
WR: Anderson 68.7
WR: Ezukanma 60.3

HB: Achane 94.4
HB: Brooks 91.2
HB: Mostert 89.4 (1st of 54)
HB: Ahmed 75.9

TE: Smythe 57.9 (34th of 68)
TE: Hill 37.6 (65th of 68)

C: Williams 80.0 (2nd of 37)
C: Eichenberg 29.2

G: Hunt 75.1 (6th of 73)
G: Wynn 55.7 (45th of 73)

T: Armstead 81.4
T: Lamm 64.2 (32nd of 68)
T: Jackson 58.7 (42nd of 68)

CB: Kohou 77.7 (12th of 102)
CB: Apple 49.9 (83rd of 102)
CB: Howard 45.5 (95th of 102)

S: Holland 93.1 (1st of 87)
S: Bethel 80.0 (1rth of 87)
S: Elliott 76.2 (17th of 87)
S: Jones 60.3

LB: Long 74.6 (16th of 76)
LB: Riley 64.2
LB: Baker 50.7 (68th of 76)

DI: Wilkins 70.5 (32nd of 126)
DI: Sieler 62.4 (52nd of 126)
DI: Davis 51.2 (96th of 126)

Edge: Van Ginkel 88.2 (9th of 112)
Edge: Chubb 68.9 (41st of 112)
Edge: Phillips 57.1 (86th of 112)
Edge: Ogbah 47.4 (101st of 112)
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Like most here, I have some problems with PFF grades, but, just for fun, . . .
Every Sunday Night game, I watch the PFF grades of all starters. What I find interesting is most teams have 2-3 players rated as top 20% on O and D. Based on the above list (yes, I know, it's 3 games), Miami has 6 in the top 20% with Achane not having enough snaps. On D, Miami has 5 rated as top 20% with Long very close.
 
rickd13 said:
It was no secret to me that Howard has been on a steady decline.
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True, but a major part of his decline is probably due to interceptions, of which it appears half were made by playing a position where a deflected ball came his way under Flores. I presume this was due to the defensive formations Flores used.

Then he got hurt and was limited in his capability for a while.

Now he is playing in a different defensive system with different results. It's the change in systems that is affecting his stats more than his personal skill set.

I feel he was over-rated before and slightly under-rated now. Expectations don't make the player in a team sport, due to different coaching regimes getting different results.

Look at Mostert, as an example of the exact opposite trajectory, compared to "X". He is the same runner, but the offense now opens holes, and our offensive play calling is greatly improved.

That should clear the mystery up, because there never was a mystery! There was only a false set of expectations based on the results of players on the same team under different coaching regimes.
 
Ray R said:
True, but a major part of his decline is probably due to interceptions, of which it appears half were made by playing a position where a deflected ball came his way under Flores. I presume this was due to the defensive formations Flores used.

Then he got hurt and was limited in his capability for a while.

Now he is playing in a different defensive system with different results. It's the change in systems that is affecting his stats more than his personal skill set.

I feel he was over-rated before and slightly under-rated now. Expectations don't make the player in a team sport, due to different coaching regimes getting different results.

Look at Mostert, as an example of the exact opposite trajectory, compared to "X". He is the same runner, but the offense now opens holes, and our offensive play calling is greatly improved.

That should clear the mystery up, because there never was a mystery! There was only a false set of expectations based on the results of players on the same team under different coaching regimes.
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Nice post Ray.....
 
Mach2 said:
Nice post Ray.....
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Thanks, I do have my moments. - LOL

I just wish there were fewer "Lemmings" postings. I have no objections with accurate discussions of different areas of our team's performance, positive or negative, supported by reasonable facts and opinions.

I admit that I do get incensed by their total lack of perspective and unprecedented levels of hyperbole when addressing these issues and often go so far as to say such useless and meaningless things that can be summed up as "We stank for 40-years and we still stink" attitudes.

That 70 Burger we just laid on the Broncos does "buoy" my level of positivity up. I really hope at least some of the "Lemmings" could feel my elation. If not, they will have to settle for my *jacked -ulation".

Don't worry, they are not likely to be reading this post, and even if they did, they wouldn't understand it! - LOL
 
Ray R said:
True, but a major part of his decline is probably due to interceptions, of which it appears half were made by playing a position where a deflected ball came his way under Flores. I presume this was due to the defensive formations Flores used.

Then he got hurt and was limited in his capability for a while.

Now he is playing in a different defensive system with different results. It's the change in systems that is affecting his stats more than his personal skill set.

I feel he was over-rated before and slightly under-rated now. Expectations don't make the player in a team sport, due to different coaching regimes getting different results.

Look at Mostert, as an example of the exact opposite trajectory, compared to "X". He is the same runner, but the offense now opens holes, and our offensive play calling is greatly improved.

That should clear the mystery up, because there never was a mystery! There was only a false set of expectations based on the results of players on the same team under different coaching regimes.
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That doesn’t explain why he was playing so bad last season in the scheme that he had most of his success in. I was willing to cut him slack because of his injuries last season but now I’m worried that was more of an excuse rather than the reason after watching the way he has played so far this season.
 
rickd13 said:
That doesn’t explain why he was playing so bad last season in the scheme that he had most of his success in. I was willing to cut him slack because of his injuries last season but now I’m worried that was more of an excuse rather than the reason after watching the way he has played so far this season.
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I thought last season was under a new system.
Did it not change when Mcdanial arrived?
 
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