PFT: No Better Then the O'l Ball Coach

[BornSlippy]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/WeekSevenTenPack.htm

1. No Better Than The Ball Coach.
These are tough times in South Florida. The Miami Dolphins are tied with the Arizona Cardinals for the worst record in the NFL at 1-6. And the schedule doesn't get much easier after the bye.
Complicating matters is that the Fins entered the 2006 season with sky-high expectations from both the media (us included, if we're the "media") and the fans. Sports Illustrated picked them to go to the Super Bowl. The playoffs were deemed by even the staunchest of pessimists as, at a minimum, a distinct possibility.
Even more troubling, from the perspective of coach Nick Saban? Through 23 career NFL games, his 10-13 record isidentical to the won-loss mark generated during the same number of contests by (gulp) former Redskins coach Steve Spurrier.
Spurrier was generally regarded as a failure based on his time in D.C., leaving the NFL after only two seasons. Over the next nine games, Saban needs to win two more to keep pace with Spurrier's final mark of 12-20.
Based on a ten-point home loss to the Packers and a tough slate of remaining games including trips to Indy and Chicago, Saban could be hard pressed to equal the Ball Coach's two seasons of futility.
We don't think this means that Saban will be out in Miami after only two years. But unless the Dolphins win at least five of their remaining nine, Saban will be on the hottest of hot seats come 2007​

 

[JAGFISH]

Well Saban has prior successful NFL exp. including running the #1 defense in the league, plus he game plans his opponents. Spurrier did not, he just ran his offense and didn't go into match ups etc. Lets not forget that the Giants and Bears also came hard after Saban and he turned them down. Spurrier was a flight of fancy by Dan Snyder. This year Skins players have gone on record saying that they thought they would have been to the SB if they hadn't dumped Schottenheimer so early.

 

[Shula Fan]

Well Saban has prior successful NFL exp. including running the #1 defense in the league, plus he game plans his opponents. Spurrier did not, he just ran his offense and didn't go into match ups etc. Lets not forget that the Giants and Bears also came hard after Saban and he turned them down. Spurrier was a flight of fancy by Dan Snyder. This year Skins players have gone on record saying that they thought they would have been to the SB if they hadn't dumped Schottenheimer so early.

Which game did he do that in? The 1 win?

 

[Vertical Limit]

Which game did he do that in? The 1 win?

:mad:

 

[gofins]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/WeekSevenTenPack.htm

1. No Better Than The Ball Coach.
These are tough times in South Florida. The Miami Dolphins are tied with the Arizona Cardinals for the worst record in the NFL at 1-6. And the schedule doesn't get much easier after the bye.
Complicating matters is that the Fins entered the 2006 season with sky-high expectations from both the media (us included, if we're the "media") and the fans. Sports Illustrated picked them to go to the Super Bowl. The playoffs were deemed by even the staunchest of pessimists as, at a minimum, a distinct possibility.
Even more troubling, from the perspective of coach Nick Saban? Through 23 career NFL games, his 10-13 record isidentical to the won-loss mark generated during the same number of contests by (gulp) former Redskins coach Steve Spurrier.
Spurrier was generally regarded as a failure based on his time in D.C., leaving the NFL after only two seasons. Over the next nine games, Saban needs to win two more to keep pace with Spurrier's final mark of 12-20.
Based on a ten-point home loss to the Packers and a tough slate of remaining games including trips to Indy and Chicago, Saban could be hard pressed to equal the Ball Coach's two seasons of futility.
We don't think this means that Saban will be out in Miami after only two years. But unless the Dolphins win at least five of their remaining nine, Saban will be on the hottest of hot seats come 2007​

Jimmy Johnson's record through his first 23 games was 4-19. Let's give Saban more of a chance.

 

[Joneal7]

Jimmy Johnson's record through his first 23 games was 4-19. Let's give Saban more of a chance.

great stat thanks!

 

[13marino13]

Jimmy Johnson's record through his first 23 games was 4-19. Let's give Saban more of a chance.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!

 

[spydertl79]

Cowher has had some horrible seasons in Pittsburgh but they stuck with him and now they're the champs.

 

[JAGFISH]

This was just a fact, not claming the results were any better,but the comparison is dead wrong. Spurrier didn't even know that the defense practiced against the offense until Marvin Lewis told him.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/writers/don_banks/12/30/spurrier/index.html

http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp03/columns/redskins/observations/1587471.html

If you are going to make comparisons at least make them legit. Spurrier was lost, Saban may have had crappy results this year but at least he has a plan.

 

[PJack]

Jimmy Johnson walked into Dallas with Michael Irvin in place and the number 1 pick into the draft. That turned out to be Troy Aikman. Saban may very well end up with the number one pick, his doing mind you, and I don't see any QB in the draft that is a lock that Aikman was coming into that draft. Brady Quinn is NOT Troy Aikman. First we have no one that could hold Irvin's jock currently on the team. Second, with the Culpepper and Harrington investment, I don't see us taking a QB early in the draft.

I don't think we fire Saban now, but if this team finishes the season with the same poorly coached display resulting in penalties, turnovers, and lack of heart, I see no reason to keep him. If there is some sign, any sign of improvement (none to date), this season, then I think he get's one more year to prove himself. I would like a Saban to have another football mind have veto power in the draft. If we blow a top 3 pick, we'll go be going down the same road as the Lions and the future will be bleak.

Lastly, I have never seen a BIll Cowher team show the lack of heart that this team does. Cowher would never let this nonsense go on week after week. Maybe benching someone, or lighting a fire under a player in the public could do some good. Handling it behind the scenes as Saban has done thusfar as shown NO results. I liked the Saban's idea at the begginning of handling problems internally, but it does not work on this team with these players. Something needs to give.

 

[Dmancari23]

This was just a fact, not claming the results were any better,but the comparison is dead wrong. Spurrier didn't even know that the defense practiced against the offense until Marvin Lewis told him.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/writers/don_banks/12/30/spurrier/index.html

http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp03/columns/redskins/observations/1587471.html

If you are going to make comparisons at least make them legit. Spurrier was lost, Saban may have had crappy results this year but at least he has a plan.

You know it's funny, you claim Saban prepares and this and that and that Spurrier didn't so how do you justify the record? Spurrier NEVER had the talent Saban has now to work with and he had that record, so you stating those "facts" makes Saban look even worse. Hell, I would rather the guy say, "hey, you know what, I just didn't get it, I need to do better" instead of saying he prepared as well as he can and he put players in position to make plays and they didn't. Where is the accountability???

 

[Rich22]

Jimmy Johnson walked into Dallas with Michael Irvin in place and the number 1 pick into the draft. That turned out to be Troy Aikman. Saban may very well end up with the number one pick, his doing mind you, and I don't see any QB in the draft that is a lock that Aikman was coming into that draft. Brady Quinn is NOT Troy Aikman. First we have no one that could hold Irvin's jock currently on the team. Second, with the Culpepper and Harrington investment, I don't see us taking a QB early in the draft.

Well Saban did walk into the #2 overall pick in the draft. Granted no top tier QB around but he did have the #2 overall! He also had some talent with Chambers and Booker at WR and McMike at TE - although I think McMike is highly overrated. He also inherited some D studs with ZT, JT, Surtain and Madison. Jimmy worked the infamous Walker trade BUT he does know talent and made some great picks. Saban while emphasizing the importance of picks did trade some. The #2 for C-Pep may wind up defining his success. Unless he pans out the ? will always be why didn't he get Brees and keep the 2nd rd pick which we really needed.

 

[JAGFISH]

You know it's funny, you claim Saban prepares and this and that and that Spurrier didn't so how do you justify the record? Spurrier NEVER had the talent Saban has now to work with and he had that record, so you stating those "facts" makes Saban look even worse. Hell, I would rather the guy say, "hey, you know what, I just didn't get it, I need to do better" instead of saying he prepared as well as he can and he put players in position to make plays and they didn't. Where is the accountability???

Read I'm not justifiying anything! I'm simply stating that comparing these two coaches is not an accurate accessment. One never had any NFL exp.the other did. One didn't even know how to practice ,one reorganized the whole frame work of the organization. I'm not trying to make Saban anything other than he is. Just stating the two guys are polar oppisites besides being successful in college.

 

[JAGFISH]

Spurrier had
[/BL. Coles 1st
Rod Gardener 1st
Jon Janson 1st
Chris Samuels 1st
Randy Thomas
Pat Ramsey 1st
Ladel Betts 2nd
Regan Upshaw 1st
Big Daddy 1st
Renaldo Wynn 1st
Bruce Smith 1st
Lavar Arrington 1st
Jeremiah Trotter
Antonio Pierce
Champ Bailey 1st
Fred Smoot 1st

Spurrier had nothing to work with though.

 

[mmikel30]

Jimmy Johnson walked into Dallas with Michael Irvin in place and the number 1 pick into the draft. That turned out to be Troy Aikman. Saban may very well end up with the number one pick, his doing mind you, and I don't see any QB in the draft that is a lock that Aikman was coming into that draft. Brady Quinn is NOT Troy Aikman. First we have no one that could hold Irvin's jock currently on the team. Second, with the Culpepper and Harrington investment, I don't see us taking a QB early in the draft.

I don't think we fire Saban now, but if this team finishes the season with the same poorly coached display resulting in penalties, turnovers, and lack of heart, I see no reason to keep him. If there is some sign, any sign of improvement (none to date), this season, then I think he get's one more year to prove himself. I would like a Saban to have another football mind have veto power in the draft. If we blow a top 3 pick, we'll go be going down the same road as the Lions and the future will be bleak.

Lastly, I have never seen a BIll Cowher team show the lack of heart that this team does. Cowher would never let this nonsense go on week after week. Maybe benching someone, or lighting a fire under a player in the public could do some good. Handling it behind the scenes as Saban has done thusfar as shown NO results. I liked the Saban's idea at the begginning of handling problems internally, but it does not work on this team with these players. Something needs to give.

im gonna go on record and say brady quinn will not be a good nfl qb and i feel confident in saying it