PFW- AFC East Review
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GoonBoss
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:lol2:
"only beginning their ascension"........WOW! That spells trouble for the rest of the division!
DeeAy3000
Big Things
"Ted Ginn Jr. was supposed to blossom from speedy youngster to consummate receiver in his second year in the league. It didn’t happen. Save for one tremendous outing against the Bills, the top-10 pick from 2007 personified mediocrity. More troubling was the lack of toughness he displayed, often choosing to duck out of bounds instead of lowering his shoulder."
The unfortunate truth. As exciting as the championship season was to behold, Ted Ginn was a disappointment. His softness was often alarming to me, largely overshadowed by the tremendous success the team as a unit often showed. I hope the coaching staff can set this man straight and he is able to turn all the lights on for his junior year. If not, I can see the patience of this front office wearing thin very quickly.
The unfortunate truth. As exciting as the championship season was to behold, Ted Ginn was a disappointment. His softness was often alarming to me, largely overshadowed by the tremendous success the team as a unit often showed. I hope the coaching staff can set this man straight and he is able to turn all the lights on for his junior year. If not, I can see the patience of this front office wearing thin very quickly.
DKphin
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But you have to take into consideration that we played one of the weakest schedules in the NFL. Our schedule next year is considerably more tough. We might not achieve the same level of success, but you never know.:D
Alot of those teams that were supposedly "weak" turned out to be legitimate hard-nosed teams.....ala Texans, 49ers, Ravens, Cardinals
GoonBoss
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To hear some say it, that's complete hogwash. Of course, everything in the article is true....Except if it's negative about Ginn. The going consensus is that since it took some top tier WRs 3 years to blossom, that's what it's going to take Ginn....Of course, I've already heard the "Well, he wasn't a true WR for long enough so it may take him longer to blossom" arguement takeing hold.
Can't really go by that, if you remember same time last year, we were all upset because our schedule looked a bit tough, and the Pats looked so easy. We were all upset how we were playing so many away games in the final 5 weeks, including the Bills and Jets, and tough teams early.
Yes, there is a bit of difference, as this time we do have the toughest schedule of anyone, but with the people we have making the decisions, this team could make another giant leap in talent, and if you consider that we have yet to get into FA, and already we have an extremely intriguing player at LB with Wake.
Maybe this is a tougher schedule, but if Miami takes another giant leap talent wise, it will not matter who we will be playing week in and week out, it will only matter to our opponents.:D
DeeAy3000
Big Things
The 3 year theory is one thing, but has anyone really seen anything potentially amazing from Ted Ginn outside of speed? Especially since he no longer has kick returning duties, I always factored that into his overall potential, and without it, I'm just not sure about how high his ceiling goes. Can you coach softness out of a player, and toughness into them? Seems like a tall order. Don't get this post mixed up with a Ted Ginn bashing, I would love nothing more than for this kid to have huge success, but my doubts are growing stronger.
GoonBoss
Finheaven Templar
Honestly, I'm not trying to bash him either, but, don't let truth get in the way of anyone's perceptions
.....I don't think he's ever going to develop into a #1, but I think he could hang around as a #2. At the end of the day, his numbers weren't that bad, and, in relation to his cap hit, pretty decent actually. I actually swung from more bearish to more bullish on TG this year....I just think everyone has to adjust what thier expectations are of him and stop makeing excuses for him.
ArmyFin7
U cry about the $$$, we do the dirtywork
I hate this whole, this yr was a cupcake schedule, next yr is gonna be so much harder...it's a bunch of crap. There is very little that seperates SB winners from teams that didn't make the playoffs....look at the Ravens, the only team we beat a year ago, went on to play the AFC title game....bc they added a rookie QB...the defense was pretty much the same. That's whats so great about the NFL, you can go from losers to contenders in 1 yr. The Jags were a dark-horse pick for the superbowl....didn't exactly work out for them. With the things that can happen in the off-season we won't know how difficult next yrs schedule is until we're playing it.
RoninFin4
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Honestly, I'm not trying to bash him either, but, don't let truth get in the way of anyone's perceptions
One thing that's always struck me with Ginn, is that the QBs that he's had throw to him in the Pros (Green, Lemon, Beck, and Pennington) is that none of them possess the arm strength of a Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, or Tom Brady.
We've seen glipmses of what Ginn is capable of on the deep ball (the Buffalo game, and the finale against the Jets), but no QB he's played with has yet to consistently lead him down the field and allow him to fully use his speed.
That said, there's plenty that Ginn needs to work on as far as route-running, ball security, toughness, etc. but I'd really like to see what he can do when we've got a QB who can consistently hit him deep (potentially Henne), but you can't mess the chemistry that Pennington (who did hit him deep a few times) brings to the entire team.
I'm still puzzled as to why Ginn was removed from punt returns.
feelthepain
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It'll be interesting seeing where we rank in most of the NFL magz when they come out for the 09 season previews. My guess is we'll be 15th in the league and 3rd in the division.
dlockz
Hall Of Famer
You ever notice if you say something good about a player or the team its a good post and you know what you are talking about but dare and say something like Steve Slaton deserved to go to the pro bowl over ronnie Brown and you are a boob.
ckparrothead
Premium Member
I think some perspective is needed on Ted Ginn...just a little. I certainly don't have anything approaching a warm and fuzzy feeling about the player yet but let's keep in mind he contributed 420 yards in his rookie season where I've seen plenty of first and second round WRs, even the ones that end up really good, contribute less than that or nothing at all. Then he followed that up by nearly doubling his output to 790 yards, while increasing his yards per reception from 12.4 to 14.1. Was it good enough? No. But, I don't think most coaches will tell you that a WR should have arrived by his second year. Most will say some time in his third year is when they tend to put it together, some would even say fourth year (Robert Ford).
What I do know is I was waiting for him to show me the things he showed against the Buffalo Bills, and subsequently with other big plays in the Denver (double teamed the entire game, had a nice looking 41 yard KO return), Seattle (big touchdown over two defenders), Oakland (big touchdown off reverse) and New England (big 46 yard pass) games. He definitely lulled off until the Jets game when he had that very nice looking TD catch. But, that's what young and immature players do. They flash for a while then fall asleep. That's what will need to change for him and we'll just have to see if it does.
I'd love to sit here and just close the book on a guy, as I've very famously closed the book early on many other players, to where it's really ticked some folks off. But, he hasn't shown me enough to close the book. Or maybe I should say he's shown me too much to close the book. He was a markedly better player in 2008 than he was in 2007. He'll get the opportunity to show that he's a markedly better player in 2009 than he was in 2008.
What I do know is I was waiting for him to show me the things he showed against the Buffalo Bills, and subsequently with other big plays in the Denver (double teamed the entire game, had a nice looking 41 yard KO return), Seattle (big touchdown over two defenders), Oakland (big touchdown off reverse) and New England (big 46 yard pass) games. He definitely lulled off until the Jets game when he had that very nice looking TD catch. But, that's what young and immature players do. They flash for a while then fall asleep. That's what will need to change for him and we'll just have to see if it does.
I'd love to sit here and just close the book on a guy, as I've very famously closed the book early on many other players, to where it's really ticked some folks off. But, he hasn't shown me enough to close the book. Or maybe I should say he's shown me too much to close the book. He was a markedly better player in 2008 than he was in 2007. He'll get the opportunity to show that he's a markedly better player in 2009 than he was in 2008.