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While a large number of Dolphins followers will be desperately looking for quarterback Ryan Tannehill to hook up with wide receiver Mike Wallace on a deep ball Saturday against Dallas, coach Joe Philbin won't be among them.

Philbin said he's not concerned about the Tannehill-Wallace deep ball chemistry right now. Wallace, however, seems to have a sense of urgency on the situation.

"I can guarantee you we want to do it more than they want us to hit it," Wallace said of the fans' desire to see a successful deep ball between him and Tannehill.

"We're out here working on it every day, so we definitely want to get in a game and hit a couple of those."

Wallace and Tannehill had a nice chemistry last season. Wallace had a career-best 73 receptions. But when it came to the deep ball Wallace and Tannehill seemed to always be out of sync, often because Tannehill's throws were off target.

Tannehill seems to have improve throwing the deep ball in practice so far. But him and Wallace still have to hit one in the game.


"We want to be more explosive as an offense in general," Philbin said, "so I think that's not just Mike Wallace. I thought we had a competitive throw on our one vertical route [last week] against Tampa Bay.

"Mike's only played 15 plays in the preseason so I'm certainly not concerned about it yet. And I thought it was a good competitive throw and a pretty good route. Certainly [we'd] never insinuate he got bumped or held or anything like that," Philbin said jokingly.

"But we have to have more explosive passes in general, period. And runs, too, for that matter. But as it relates to just one individual, no, I'm not overly concerned."
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Lot of deep crosses for Wallace this season. Tannehill can hit that throw. Good coaches highlight players strengths. Mike Sherman was a terrible OC. "Throw the 9 until you hit it!" I expect Lazor to find the common ground between Tannehill and Wallace that has, to this point, been under water.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
Lot of deep crosses for Wallace this season. Tannehill can hit that throw. Good coaches highlight players strengths. Mike Sherman was a terrible OC. "Throw the 9 until you hit it!" I expect Lazor to find the common ground between Tannehill and Wallace that has, to this point, been under water.
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Not to mention deep crosses are a significantly higher percentage pass....
 
j-off-her-doll said:
Lot of deep crosses for Wallace this season. Tannehill can hit that throw. Good coaches highlight players strengths. Mike Sherman was a terrible OC. "Throw the 9 until you hit it!" I expect Lazor to find the common ground between Tannehill and Wallace that has, to this point, been under water.
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He can? I mean that would be good news and I agree it's more important than the deep fly routes they throw once in a while, but I don't think deep or even intermediate crossing routes are Tannehill's strength at all.

Even intermediate crossing routes would make me happier than the odd big gain on a fly route. I think the intermediate game in the middle of the field has to improve to make us dangerous. On deep routes I would love to see them hit crosses but I think one reason we didn't do it much was because we don't do it well. I'll be watching for that in game 3 actually, to see if Lazor somehow has an effect on Tannehill. Maybe there was something he was able to teach him to help him hit intermediate and deeper horizontals better. I will watch to see if we can complete some, and also if the ball arrives on time and on target to allow for YAC. I notice Tannehill seems to be pulling the trigger faster so if that was the only issue we may be in luck, as long as he can remain as decisive when defenses start scheming.

For deep balls, I think post routes would be great routes to run because you could then start selling that and run post corners if Wallace is a good enough route runner. But then that's the criticism he often gets. This would be a luxury IMO. The intermediate crossing stuff would really help us a lot I think.
 
Dolphin North said:
He can? I mean that would be good news and I agree it's more important than the deep fly routes they throw once in a while, but I don't think deep or even intermediate crossing routes are Tannehill's strength at all.

Even intermediate crossing routes would make me happier than the odd big gain on a fly route. I think the intermediate game in the middle of the field has to improve to make us dangerous. On deep routes I would love to see them hit crosses but I think one reason we didn't do it much was because we don't do it well. I'll be watching for that in game 3 actually, to see if Lazor somehow has an effect on Tannehill. Maybe there was something he was able to teach him to help him hit intermediate and deeper horizontals better. I will watch to see if we can complete some, and also if the ball arrives on time and on target to allow for YAC. I notice Tannehill seems to be pulling the trigger faster so if that was the only issue we may be in luck, as long as he can remain as decisive when defenses start scheming.

For deep balls, I think post routes would be great routes to run because you could then start selling that and run post corners if Wallace is a good enough route runner. But then that's the criticism he often gets. This would be a luxury IMO. The intermediate crossing stuff would really help us a lot I think.
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Tannehill has the ability to throw at different trajectories, but he's most accurate when he can throw the ball on a line. Especially as you move to deeper routes, Tannehill struggles with accuracy when he has to put air under the ball. On deep crosses - like the pass to Matthews against Atlanta in the first preseason game - Tannehill should be able to put the ball on a rope. Posts are better than 9's for Tannehill, but I still feel better about him in that 15-25 yard range.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
Tannehill has the ability to throw at different trajectories, but he's most accurate when he can throw the ball on a line. Especially as you move to deeper routes, Tannehill struggles with accuracy when he has to put air under the ball. On deep crosses - like the pass to Matthews against Atlanta in the first preseason game - Tannehill should be able to put the ball on a rope. Posts are better than 9's for Tannehill, but I still feel better about him in that 15-25 yard range.
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Spot on. Tannehill hasn't mastered dropping the pass into a bucket. His endzone fade pass has improved a little, but that's a different throw entirely to a deep pass to the sideline which needs velocity and touch to be right. As Tannehill throws a very flat ball in general, I think he finds it hard to get the right balance of velocity and trajectory on the deep ones.

That said, the ball to Wallace against TB was perfect. We've all been saying "get the deep ball out quick and don't make him come back for it". That ball was thrown early and in Wallace's stride, Mike just got pulled by the defender, who was toast, and lost sync with the throw.
 
Fin Thirteen said:
Spot on. Tannehill hasn't mastered dropping the pass into a bucket. His endzone fade pass has improved a little, but that's a different throw entirely to a deep pass to the sideline which needs velocity and touch to be right. As Tannehill throws a very flat ball in general, I think he finds it hard to get the right balance of velocity and trajectory on the deep ones.

That said, the ball to Wallace against TB was perfect. We've all been saying "get the deep ball out quick and don't make him come back for it". That ball was thrown early and in Wallace's stride, Mike just got pulled by the defender, who was toast, and lost sync with the throw.
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There was definitely PI on the play - especially the way the league is now calling it. Mike Wallace had every right to make the comments he did.
 
Anyone watch the pitt/philly game last night?

We are Philly's O. The play selection we have been seeing is carbon copy.

Is anyone concerned with Philly's deep ball?

NO. Because that offense moves regardless and they get their first downs to keep moving. And Foles didnt exactly look accurate last night on certain throws. But they converted with high percentage plays they know will work.

I noticed the same double screen play that Lamar Miller ran to a tee minus a stupid penalty.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
Tannehill has the ability to throw at different trajectories, but he's most accurate when he can throw the ball on a line. Especially as you move to deeper routes, Tannehill struggles with accuracy when he has to put air under the ball. On deep crosses - like the pass to Matthews against Atlanta in the first preseason game - Tannehill should be able to put the ball on a rope. Posts are better than 9's for Tannehill, but I still feel better about him in that 15-25 yard range.
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Tannehill has always been good working the middle of the field....he does good on shorter out routes, but like you said, it needs to be where he throws the ball on a rope.

As far as deep balls....I want to say a majority (at least from my viewing experience) of pass plays that go over 40 yards are actually caught in that 15-25 yard range (though I will admit that I have no statistical backing for that claim...)
 
Nor would I want my coach to coach scared about losing his job either. but remember, Ireland was gaurranteed his job back, only to lose it a month later.
 
ConvenientTruth said:
Tannehill has always been good working the middle of the field....he does good on shorter out routes, but like you said, it needs to be where he throws the ball on a rope.

As far as deep balls....I want to say a majority (at least from my viewing experience) of pass plays that go over 40 yards are actually caught in that 15-25 yard range (though I will admit that I have no statistical backing for that claim...)
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He's 16 of 64 for balls traveling 20+ yards in the air and has a pretty dismal passer rating of 40. The average PR is 84. There is obviously a lot of variance on those throws though because Brady didn't fare much better going 20 of 66 with a rating of 78. Flacco, who was known to have a good deep ball I think, was 17 of 88 with a 28 PR.

Just from watching highlights and a few games I would have guessed Luck was extremely accurate down the field but even he is below average at 37% accuracy percentage vs Tannehill's 33%.

Normal variance plus the fact that Tannehill had 2 new to him receivers plus the horrible o-line leaves me not overly concerned about it...yet.

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