Philbin's first decision tells the story

[Finland]

I've said all along that Philbin showed his "lack of leadership" and "lack of personal conviction of thought", at the very beginning of his hiring in Miami. If you really know what you are doing as a leader, you set the tone of your style and you fully understand the most important things you do in your position. To turn Miami around he clearly needed to be a strong leader. He also needed to select his coordinators and his QB. A common lesson in the NFL is don't pick in the draft based on Potential, pick guys that have shown success.

He picked a former boss (Sherman) and friend to be his coordinator (totally suspect move) and then went with the QB that coordinator suggested (Even worse). I mean unless both men on their own, thought that it was the best thing to do, to reach in the draft on an unproven QB.

Philbin failed here. He never should have picked (Sherman's Guy) Tannehill unless he was sure fire. I held out hope that Philbin would escape such a personally horrid business decision and Tannehill would turn into a gem. Well he is not turning out that way. If Philbin would not have been forced into firing Sherman, he would still have him here too. It was a terrible move for him personally to let Sherman so strongly affect his first massive decision with Miami. Non verbally he basically either said, "I'm not up to the task of selecting the QB" or "I'm going to let my old boss decide".

Now, Philbin is being noncommittal on if "Tannehill is one of the best 46 guys to help the team win in London"? What a lousy comment from the leader. There are so many better ways he could communicate with the same results. What are you going to take your 3rd and 2nd QB and leave Tannehill at home? Learn to speak Joe. Enough of the "say nothing coach speak". You need to also step it up a few notches. Hey Joe, everyone is watching. Show us your personality.

He really is good at proving he doesn't have the leadership.

The way he handled the two minute drill before the half in Buffalo was also terrible leadership. The way he looked on Hard Knocks, not knowing the pulse in the locker room in 2013 (and 2014), gum wrapper stories, speeches on cards instead of from the heart, wow.

I think he looked bad straight out of the gate.

Seriously now, can the people that like him list a few positive things he has done?... because I don't see it.

 

[roy_miami]

1. He picked the wrong QB, thats it. And it happens a lot of the time, if not most of the time. There is no magical formula on picking QBs, there is no need to over-analyze why or how we ended up with Tannehill. I would guesstimate 95% of members wanted us to take Tannehill or Weeden in the first. If Philbin is an idiot for that then so are 90% of he "experts" on here.

Obviously the correct play would have been to take one of the other promising looking QBs as well, Wilson would have looked a lot better than Martin in the second round right about now. But thats coulda, woulda, shoulda.

2. What if he really doesn't know who will start in London yet? It is still only Monday, right? its a pretty big decision and not something you want to be rash on. So let say he honestly isn't sure who will start, how should he answer? Should he lie? Everybody is clamoring for transparency but whenever an honest answer is given you guys just **** all over it.

 

[finfan54]

I thought jeff Ireland was the idiot ho picked this guy??

 

[Finland]

I thought jeff Ireland was the idiot ho picked this guy??

NO this is Sherman and Philbin all the way. My point is not that Tannehill was bad, my point is that is was about as unsafe a decision as you could make as a leader. Some great leaders would pick a different QB just to not be in that management situation. You only pull that trigger if it is sure fire. Philbin make bad decisions. He lacks personal conviction.

 

[Finland]

1. He picked the wrong QB, thats it. And it happens a lot of the time, if not most of the time. There is no magical formula on picking QBs, there is no need to over-analyze why or how we ended up with Tannehill. I would guesstimate 95% of members wanted us to take Tannehill or Weeden in the first. If Philbin is an idiot for that then so are 90% of he "experts" on here.

Obviously the correct play would have been to take one of the other promising looking QBs as well, Wilson would have looked a lot better than Martin in the second round right about now. But thats coulda, woulda, shoulda.

2. What if he really doesn't know who will start in London yet? It is still only Monday, right? its a pretty big decision and not something you want to be rash on. So let say he honestly isn't sure who will start, how should he answer? Should he lie? Everybody is clamoring for transparency but whenever an honest answer is given you guys just **** all over it.

That's not my point. My point is, it was really bad leadership and personal conviction. If Tannehill turned out good it was still a poor management/leadership situation. With Tannehill not working out, it really makes you look bad for those that are watching that stuff. Bottom line, Philbin is now stuck with an unproven rookie type QB that ain't working out.

 

[Hayden Fox]

1. He picked the wrong QB, thats it. And it happens a lot of the time, if not most of the time. There is no magical formula on picking QBs, there is no need to over-analyze why or how we ended up with Tannehill. I would guesstimate 95% of members wanted us to take Tannehill or Weeden in the first. If Philbin is an idiot for that then so are 90% of he "experts" on here.

Obviously the correct play would have been to take one of the other promising looking QBs as well, Wilson would have looked a lot better than Martin in the second round right about now. But thats coulda, woulda, shoulda.

2. What if he really doesn't know who will start in London yet? It is still only Monday, right? its a pretty big decision and not something you want to be rash on. So let say he honestly isn't sure who will start, how should he answer? Should he lie? Everybody is clamoring for transparency but whenever an honest answer is given you guys just **** all over it.

IF, IF, IF he picked the wrong QB, then he should be fired at the end of the season. No ****ing way he gets a shot at a second guy. Joe is terrible leader and if had any gumption his team would have beaten one of the two sub 500 teams last year and got in the playoffs.

Joe Philbin was a bad pick as a coach. Bottom line.

 

[roy_miami]

IF, IF, IF he picked the wrong QB, then he should be fired at the end of the season. Now ****ing way he gets a shot a second guy. Joe is terrible leader and if had any gumption his team would have beaten one of the two sub 500 teams last year and got in the playoffs.

Joe Philbin was a bad pick as a coach. Bottom line.

If he would have started Matt Moore last season we probably would have won 10 games.

 

[MD]

Jeff Ireland made it quite clear that he wanted Tannehill and had been scouting him for two years.

 

[finfan54]

NO this is Sherman and Philbin all the way. My point is not that Tannehill was bad, my point is that is was about as unsafe a decision as you could make as a leader. Some great leaders would pick a different QB just to not be in that management situation. You only pull that trigger if it is sure fire. Philbin make bad decisions. He lacks personal conviction.

ok, and I get what your saying. I see philbin as a laise fare guy. he puts all his chips on his guys.

I put my chips this year on Lazor and 3rd year Ryan. aint workin.

 

[roy_miami]

That's not my point. My point is, it was really bad leadership and personal conviction. If Tannehill turned out good it was still a poor management/leadership situation. With Tannehill not working out, it really makes you look bad for those that are watching that stuff. Bottom line, Philbin is now stuck with an unproven rookie type QB that ain't working out.

I have no idea what you're talking about. So Tannehill was off limits because of the image it presented? Obviously Sherman had some input, maybe he even convinced Philbin Tannehill was the real deal, but so what? Mike Sherman drafted Aaron Rodgers. He recruited Johnny Manziel. The man obviously does know a thing or two about the position.

 

[Dick Pepperwood]

Ready for the next Coach...

 

[Hayden Fox]

The best thing about Joe getting canned is I will never have to read posters blaming anything that goes wrong on anyone OTHER than Joe.

For three years, people have blamed Jeff Ireland, Steve Ross, Mike Sherman, Kevin Coyle, Bill Lazor, Ryan Tannehill, HBO, the media or whoever…but it was never Joe's fault.

He called out RT today, it is time that someone on this team calls HIM out to coach better.

 

[normaldude]

Before the 2012 draft, there were a lot of reports saying that owner Stephen Ross was the one pushing hardest for Ryan Tannehill..


Source: Stephen Ross is pushing for Ryan Tannehill

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/22/source-stephen-ross-is-pushing-for-ryan-tannehill/


King confirms Ross wants Tannehill

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/23/king-confirms-ross-wants-tannehill/


Report: Ryan Tannehill coveted by Dolphins' Stephen Ross

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0900...an-tannehill-coveted-by-dolphins-stephen-ross

 

[Finland]

I have no idea what you're talking about. So Tannehill was off limits because of the image it presented? Obviously Sherman had some input, maybe he even convinced Philbin Tannehill was the real deal, but so what? Mike Sherman drafted Aaron Rodgers. He recruited Johnny Manziel. The man obviously does know a thing or two about the position.

Yes that is what I'm saying. Letting Sherman pick your QB is suicide, so you better be really sure. No way you can be sure on RT so don't do it. Just like the correct decision with the 1st or 2nd pick is too try for a QB while you have the draft spot. You have to try. Philbin is not a good leader. He showed this right out of the gate.

 

[quasi]

Yes that is what I'm saying. Letting Sherman pick your QB is suicide, so you better be really sure. No way you can be sure on RT so don't do it. Just like the correct decision with the 1st or 2nd pick is too try for a QB while you have the draft spot. You have to try. Philbin is not a good leader. He showed this right out of the gate.

You can't be sure about any qb in the draft. What a ridiculous post. He took a risk and it didn't pan out. A good leader is not afraid to take risks if he believes it's the right move. Unfortunately, it was the wrong move. But to say he made the wrong decision because you can't be sure about Tannehill? That's ridiculous.