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Poll Boyle vs Huntley Part Deux - Who Do You Blame?

Who to blame for the backup QB situation?

  • Grier

    Votes: 13 21.3%
  • McDaniel

    Votes: 6 9.8%
  • 50/50

    Votes: 24 39.3%
  • Grier 75/McD 25

    Votes: 12 19.7%
  • McD 75 / Grier 25

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Grier 70 / McD 20 / Tua 10

    Votes: 2 3.3%
  • McD 70 / Grier 20 / Tua 10

    Votes: 3 4.9%

  • Total voters
    61
  • Poll closed .

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How did we get into this situation? Both of these guys are backups to backups. NFL scrubs. The intent of the post is not to turn it into an argument that Huntley for example might be really good. Fact, not opinion, he is a backup to backups. The definition of an NFL scrub. However, if you want to make that case as a side point, feel free in the comments section. Note the blame pies are all directional choices, if you feel one of them deserves more or less blame in a choice, that is also where the comments section comes in.

Here is the order of operations:
-Draft Tua (for simplicity sake I am going to start here and leave out the fact that they screwed up the tank), then sign him to the big deal
-Draft Skylar Thompson, in the 7th round, but prior to Brock Purdy who went last to the 49ers in the same draft
-Sign Mike White to be Tua's backup
-Cut Mike White and bet on Skylar
-Could have also gotten Justin Fields or Russell Wilson this year for nothing, and Flacco, Darnold, Jameis Winston, and Minshew were also available again. They should have realized coming into this year both White and Skylar suck, and having a real backup was important given Tua's risk of injury
-Then sign Tim Boyle after Mike White is cut
-Then sign Huntley after Tua goes to IR and they need a 3rd QB

I chose the last option. McD 70 / Grier 20 / Tua 10. But I am conflicted, was tempted to pick just Grier, because at the end of the day you want your GM making decisions. Part of Grier's issue is he defers too much to the coaches. At any rate, this is how I see it, but it is guesswork. My guess is it is McDaniel who liked the tape on Thompson, and picked him. Still blows my mind Skylar went before Purdy. I suspect McDaniel was also heavily involved in the Mike White signing. They could have had Dalton, Darnold or Minshew, who all signed cheap deals too. White had the lowest QB rating of the dozen backups available in the 2023 FA class. This is where Tua comes in. I partly wonder if they wanted to sign a backup that was completely non-threatening to him, and that is why they signed White instead of these other guys and also did nothing re Fields and RW or the other guys this year? Then of course, Tua didn't slide, and that is what caused the concussion (sadly in addition that it does not seem to take much to concuss him). At any rate, Skylar beats out Mike White in training camp. Probably McDaniel's decision too, he seems to love Skylar. Then Skylar goes out and plays like crap and gets hurt. Boyle and Huntley, anybody's guess as to who picked them, but my guess is McDaniel. In the case of all of them (White, Thompson, Boyle, Huntley), I suspect Grier gave McDaniel a few choices, and said in each case pick one of them. Anyway, I blame all 3 for the backup QB situation, but mostly McDaniel.
 
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Grier has to take blame for a lot of things, but I think it’s McDaniel’s job to kick and scream on who he wants for back up quarterback and prepare him to come in in the likely situation he would have had to done so with an oft injured quarterback. McDaniel had no game plan when Tua went down and Skyler Thompson was obviously nowhere close to be ready and this is after three years under McDaniel‘s tutelage.
 
How did we get into this situation? Both of these guys are backups to backups. NFL scrubs. The intent of the post is not to turn it into an argument that Huntley for example might be really good. Fact, not opinion, he is a backup to backups. The definition of an NFL scrub. However, if you want to make that case as a side point, feel free in the comments section. Not the blame pies are all directional choices, if you feel one of them deserves more or less blame in a choice, that is also where the comments section comes in.

Here is the order of operations:
-Draft Tua (for simplicity sake I am going to start here and leave out the fact that they screwed up the tank), then sign him to the big deal
-Draft Skylar Thompson, in the 7th round, but prior to Brock Purdy who went last to the 49ers in the same draft
-Sign Mike White to be Tua's backup
-Cut Mike White and bet on Skylar
-Could have also gotten Justin Fields or Russell Wilson this year for nothing, and Flacco, Darnold, Jameis Winston, and Mishew were also available again. They should have realized coming into this year both White and Skylar suck, and having a real backup was important given Tua's risk of injury
-Then sign Tim Boyle after Mike White is cut
-Then sign Huntley after Tua goes to IR and they need a 3rd QB

I chose the last option. McD 70 / Grier 20 / Tua 10. But I am conflicted, was tempted to pick just Grier, because at the end of the day you want your GM making decisions. Part of Grier's issue is he defers too much to the coaches. At any rate, this is how I see it, but it is guesswork. My guess is it is McDaniel who liked the tape on Thompson, and picked him. Still blows my mind Skylar went before Purdy. I suspect McDaniel was also heavily involved in the Mike White signing. They could have had Dalton, Darnold or Minshew, who all signed cheap deals too. White had the lowest QB rating of the dozen backups available in the 2023 FA class. This is where Tua comes in. I partly wonder if they wanted to sign a backup that was completely non-threatening to him, and that is why they signed White instead of these other guys and also did nothing re Fields and RW or the other guys this year? Then of course, Tua didn't slide, and that is what caused the concussion (sadly in addition that it does not seem to take much to concuss him). At any rate, Skylar beats out Mike White in training camp. Probably McDaniel's decision too, he seems to love Skylar. Then Skylar goes out and plays like crap and gets hurt. Boyle and Huntley, anybody's guess as to who picked them, but my guess is McDaniel. In the case of all of them (White, Thompson, Boyle, Huntley), I suspect Grier gave McDaniel a few choices, and said in each case pick one of them. Anyway, I blame all 3 for the backup QB situation, but mostly McDaniel.

I'll blame TT for the concussion. Yes, slide head first for a 1D. Many QBs do that. No, DO NOT slide head first into a defender! But that's OT.
100% of blame on Mcd. He (not Grier) has final say in personnel. He selected Sky, White, and TlrH. He's the one (well, on other teams) is the one who develops game plans for the QB. I don't think any HC decides to sign the worst QB available to protect the starters ego. Maybe not 'best available,' but not the worst.
I agree Grier gave Mcd the list of available QBs along with how much $ it would take to get them and cap ramifications. From that list, Mcd made the choice. But that's a long way from blaming Grier for the choice.
 
Anyone who blames the coach is the reason Grier has gotten a pass for so long. Grier needs to go and he has been the reason for this team's mediocrity for so long. He hires the coach for Pete's sake.

So he cant find good players and cant find a coach to help him find good players and you all say it is the coach's fault?

MM is a scapegoat on this site. Perfection does not exist, stop expecting it from your Head coach, while always accepting mediocrity from your GM, the oline, your linebackers, your draft picks.
 
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Dolphins have gotten high quality backups for Tua in the past like Bridgewater and Brissett.

If you’re an Andy Dalton or Sam Darnold, you look at the field for QBs on rookie contracts that you can beat out.

Quality backup QBs that want a shot to start don’t sign with a team that just locked up its QB to a top 5 contract and just came off playing a full healthy season imo.
 
Anyone who blames the coach is the reason Grier has gotten a pass for so long. Grier needs to go and he has been the reason for this team's mediocrity for so long. He hires the coach for Pete's sake.

So he cant find good players and cant find a coach to help him find good players and you all say it is the coach's fault?

MM is a scapegoat on this site. Perfection does not exist, stop expecting it from your Head coach, while always accepting mediocrity from your GM, the oline, your linebackers, your draft picks.
It's comical that you assume everyone wants Grier here and that we don't fault him. The fault lies on both.

McD has openly stated many times about how important full collaboration there must be with staff and front office.

This is a 50/50 issue and it needs correction this off-season.
 
Dolphins have gotten high quality backups for Tua in the past like Bridgewater and Brissett.

If you’re an Andy Dalton or Sam Darnold, you look at the field for QBs on rookie contracts that you can beat out.

Quality backup QBs that want a shot to start don’t sign with a team that just locked up its QB to a top 5 contract and just came off playing a full healthy season imo.
disagree. great place to be for a backup because you know there is decent chance of tua getting hurt, then you get to come into this offense with all of these weapons. plus live in miami, and not pay taxes.
 
I'll blame TT for the concussion. Yes, slide head first for a 1D. Many QBs do that. No, DO NOT slide head first into a defender! But that's OT.
100% of blame on Mcd. He (not Grier) has final say in personnel. He selected Sky, White, and TlrH. He's the one (well, on other teams) is the one who develops game plans for the QB. I don't think any HC decides to sign the worst QB available to protect the starters ego. Maybe not 'best available,' but not the worst.
I agree Grier gave Mcd the list of available QBs along with how much $ it would take to get them and cap ramifications. From that list, Mcd made the choice. But that's a long way from blaming Grier for the choice.
So you must be under the impression that Flores wanted Tua even after hearing Tua 💩 all over Flores in that interview, earlier in the season? Tua was forced on to Flores by both Ross and Ross’s puppet, Chris “ I collaborate with my coaches, to get the players they want” Grier. Go ahead and think it’s McDaniels fault and not Griers. 🤦‍♂️

As to the final say on PLAYING the personal. McDaniel should but then you have to look back earlier to when Flores coached. Who’s call do you think it was to insert Tua @ Qb his rookie season coming off their bye week? You think it was the coach, who didn’t want to draft him in the first place or maybe it was Ross and the puppet Grier who wanted Tua starting?
 
I'll blame TT for the concussion. Yes, slide head first for a 1D. Many QBs do that. No, DO NOT slide head first into a defender! But that's OT.
100% of blame on Mcd. He (not Grier) has final say in personnel. He selected Sky, White, and TlrH. He's the one (well, on other teams) is the one who develops game plans for the QB. I don't think any HC decides to sign the worst QB available to protect the starters ego. Maybe not 'best available,' but not the worst.
I agree Grier gave Mcd the list of available QBs along with how much $ it would take to get them and cap ramifications. From that list, Mcd made the choice. But that's a long way from blaming Grier for the choice.
A good GM would evaluate the talent and step in and say, No, these QBs suck and override the head coach.

100% of the blame on McD?......

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Anyone who blames the coach is the reason Grier has gotten a pass for so long. Grier needs to go and he has been the reason for this team's mediocrity for so long. He hires the coach for Pete's sake.

So he cant find good players and cant find a coach to help him find good players and you all say it is the coach's fault?

MM is a scapegoat on this site. Perfection does not exist, stop expecting it from your Head coach, while always accepting mediocrity from your GM, the oline, your linebackers, your draft picks.

but you expect it from our GM?

This roster/approach/philosophy has been a collaborative effort between GM and head coach. GM isn't planning game scripts/game plans or calling plays on offense though. Both are to blame.
 
Would say 50/50, but Tua has a small share. And I don't do revisionist history (ala Purdy). Nobody had a SINGLE clue he would turn out like he did, including the Niners, else there's 0% chance they'd have waited for the 7th round...just like Brady. I have no problem with them drafting Skylar...I have a problem with him not developing, yet being named #2 and not being able to handle the game, and THAT problem is McD's to own. The QB room enjoys Skylar's presence there...so what...McD is a coward.
 
Wow, this was so tough to watch. What a word salad, he should have just said, "We have no plan and are F******".

That sounded to me like he's not sure what to do with Boyle and Huntley because he's waiting to see how Skylar progresses. If so, then IMO that would be great! Personally, I want Skylar to play.

I'm a hard-core Dolphins fan... which means that the team's success is the most important thing. My loyalty is to the team, and not to any individual GM, coach, or player, because the people will come and go over time. Sure, I can like certain players or coaches if I feel they're helping the team win, but by the same token, I can dislike those who are detrimental to the success of the team, and hope for their dismissal.

While my heart always wants to see Miami win, my brain knows that Grier and McDaniel need to be replaced, because they are hurting the team's chances for success. Grier can't build a strong team, and McDaniel can't run one. So, IMO, the best thing for the team is for Skylar to play and for them to keep losing, because I can't see him turning into a Mahomes clone. And hopefully, Ross will pull his head out of his a** and do what needs to be done and clean house... completely this time.
 
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