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Preseason Position Group Battles: Defensive Tackles

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With the signing of Calais Campbell, this group is complete, and since the signing is present in everyone's mind, let's take a crack at this group next.

First off: This is another group where the number of players to be kept on the roster is in doubt. Last year, we kept 5 and everyone knew this was probably one too few. However, with Fangio using Sieler and Wilkins on almost every down, and the fact that he got away with it when both remained injury free, carrying just 5 worked.

I don't think we'll see this happen again. One, we have a new Defensive Coordinator who is more apt to platoon, and Two, there is NO way 38 year old Campbell logs that many snaps and remains upright. Therefore, I am forecasting that we keep 6 this year. Here we go...

Sieler is obviously the key player here, and he's the only every down DT on this roster. Write his name in pen at one of the DE spots, and hope he remains healthy again.

The other starting DE is Campbell, whose signing pushes Hand to a reserve role, and considering that we cut Hand last year during final cuts (only to resign him), making the initial roster as a hedge against Campbell's age isn't a bad result for the 28 year old journeyman.

On the Nose, we'll likely juggle two players, Teair Tart, and Benito Jones. Tart has the better resume until falling out of favour with his coaching staff last year, and now he's pissed... and playing for a contract. I expect him to thrive in Miami.
Jones is a solid vet who started for Detroit last year. He's a run down thumper only, he wont play on passing downs, but he's improved each year and should stick.

I think 4 of those 5 are fairly safe bets, with only Jones and even moreso, Hand as legitimate targets to be replaced.

Now it gets harder. Gallimore and Harris are both solid, if unspectacular NFL vets, both have logged a lot of downs and are about the same age. Harris has started more games recently, but he was on the Broncos, so he wasn't surrounded by a lot of competition.
Neither player is much of a pass-rushing threat, and despite that... these two might have a shot at taking out Da'Shawn Hand. If either lights it up in camp, either (or both) could stick.
As vested veteran players with some starting experience, these guys are probably poor bets for the practice squad.
One last note, Gallimore's salary is 100% guaranteed for this year and Harris has a 600k guarantee. We enticed these players to sign smallish contracts by guaranteeing them money... we'll likely eat some of that, but it was a good risk for us to take-- especially if they both beat out Hand-- who has a very small guarantee.
Following the money... Hand is starting to look like a cut and resign candidate.

Now... let's discuss the young guys. First up is last year's preseason favourite, Brandon Pili. The Dolphins really liked his early work, but then he completely disappeared once the season began. He spent the season toiling on the PS, and as a 25 year old player who just saw the Dolphins sign Tart and Jones, I think he's a real longshot. This season is do, or more likely, die for him. He's a NT only on a team with quite a few veterans who play that position. Good luck Brandon, you'll need it.

Then there's 28 year old Mack and two 23 year old PS candidates. I suspect that Mack has about as much chance of making the team as Daviyon Nixon did (who we cut earlier this week).

Payne or Kendricks could surprise, I guess... but neither was a heralded player in this year's draft and with as many solid vets are there ahead of them... and the Dolphins thinking Super Bowl, these two would have to have outstanding preseasons to stick.

My way-to-early bet on our roster keeps: Sieler, Campbell, Tart, Jones, Gallimore, and Hand... with Harris as a playable bet. On the bright side, we have 7 for the likely 6 spots. An injury to anyone but Sieler won't kill us.

...and yes, I think DT is a STRONG 1st or 2nd day draft possibility next year... very likely.
 
Thanks, Feverdream. Defensive tackle should be one of the most interesting camp battles. But I think you are spot on with your analysis.

Besides Tua and Hill, Seiler's health is probably the most vital. If he stays healthy, this may be a serviceable group.

Agree, DT would be my early guess for Miami's number one pick next year.
 
That all sounds about right. Seiler, Campbell, Tart & Gallimore are the no-brainers with ideally the youngsters or cuts beating out Hand and Jones for the last few spots ... who don't bring a ton to the table.
I'd love to see it, but the bottom two players were not even invited to the combine. They are VERY low profile prospects.
Kendricks wasn't even a priority free agent, he was a tryout player at minicamp.
I think both players are extreme longshots...

Pili has a puncher's chance... but I'm not placing a bet on him.
 
I like the mix of physicality and speed at DT. Gallimore and Hand are both exceptionally fast for DT, and Tart and Campbell are legit ass-kickers. Seiler will likely be the best DT, and he's between those groups stylistically. Jones is strong and stout.

While it would have been nice to keep Wilkins, I think the DT room is fine, particularly with the upgrades at Edge and LB. And, I'll take the depth and other upgrades over Wilkins. The DT room should also benefit from moving on from Raekwon Davis, who was bad more often than not.

For the first time in a while, Miami has a vet that demands respect and has a proven track record in every defensive group - Edge, IDL, LB, CB, and S. While I expect there to be a period of transition with the new system, the vets should help, and the similarities to the last system should help. It's not like 2023, where Miami had a complete philosophical shift, so I expect them to play well sooner than 2023, when the D didn't start to play well until the Philly game - almost halfway through the season.
 
With the signing of Calais Campbell, this group is complete, and since the signing is present in everyone's mind, let's take a crack at this group next.

First off: This is another group where the number of players to be kept on the roster is in doubt. Last year, we kept 5 and everyone knew this was probably one too few. However, with Fangio using Sieler and Wilkins on almost every down, and the fact that he got away with it when both remained injury free, carrying just 5 worked.

I don't think we'll see this happen again. One, we have a new Defensive Coordinator who is more apt to platoon, and Two, there is NO way 38 year old Campbell logs that many snaps and remains upright. Therefore, I am forecasting that we keep 6 this year. Here we go...

Sieler is obviously the key player here, and he's the only every down DT on this roster. Write his name in pen at one of the DE spots, and hope he remains healthy again.

The other starting DE is Campbell, whose signing pushes Hand to a reserve role, and considering that we cut Hand last year during final cuts (only to resign him), making the initial roster as a hedge against Campbell's age isn't a bad result for the 28 year old journeyman.

On the Nose, we'll likely juggle two players, Teair Tart, and Benito Jones. Tart has the better resume until falling out of favour with his coaching staff last year, and now he's pissed... and playing for a contract. I expect him to thrive in Miami.
Jones is a solid vet who started for Detroit last year. He's a run down thumper only, he wont play on passing downs, but he's improved each year and should stick.

I think 4 of those 5 are fairly safe bets, with only Jones and even moreso, Hand as legitimate targets to be replaced.

Now it gets harder. Gallimore and Harris are both solid, if unspectacular NFL vets, both have logged a lot of downs and are about the same age. Harris has started more games recently, but he was on the Broncos, so he wasn't surrounded by a lot of competition.
Neither player is much of a pass-rushing threat, and despite that... these two might have a shot at taking out Da'Shawn Hand. If either lights it up in camp, either (or both) could stick.
As vested veteran players with some starting experience, these guys are probably poor bets for the practice squad.
One last note, Gallimore's salary is 100% guaranteed for this year and Harris has a 600k guarantee. We enticed these players to sign smallish contracts by guaranteeing them money... we'll likely eat some of that, but it was a good risk for us to take-- especially if they both beat out Hand-- who has a very small guarantee.
Following the money... Hand is starting to look like a cut and resign candidate.

Now... let's discuss the young guys. First up is last year's preseason favourite, Brandon Pili. The Dolphins really liked his early work, but then he completely disappeared once the season began. He spent the season toiling on the PS, and as a 25 year old player who just saw the Dolphins sign Tart and Jones, I think he's a real longshot. This season is do, or more likely, die for him. He's a NT only on a team with quite a few veterans who play that position. Good luck Brandon, you'll need it.

Then there's 28 year old Mack and two 23 year old PS candidates. I suspect that Mack has about as much chance of making the team as Daviyon Nixon did (who we cut earlier this week).

Payne or Kendricks could surprise, I guess... but neither was a heralded player in this year's draft and with as many solid vets are there ahead of them... and the Dolphins thinking Super Bowl, these two would have to have outstanding preseasons to stick.

My way-to-early bet on our roster keeps: Sieler, Campbell, Tart, Jones, Gallimore, and Hand... with Harris as a playable bet. On the bright side, we have 7 for the likely 6 spots. An injury to anyone but Sieler won't kill us.

...and yes, I think DT is a STRONG 1st or 2nd day draft possibility next year... very likely.
agree with pretty much everything other than drafting a DT with our top pick next year.....I don’t think the. FO feels that way.....pretty much like guard or center, DT is a position they feel can be filled with a cheap veteran or mid round pick.
 
I've always believed that you build your team in the trenches and this Fins management seems to think the opposite. We have lost significant talent on the defensive and offensive line. Now, let's see how wrong I am.
 
I've always believed that you build your team in the trenches and this Fins management seems to think the opposite. We have lost significant talent on the defensive and offensive line. Now, let's see how wrong I am.

I guess I’m more optimistic. OP has just provided a great breakdown of our potential DL … we are deeper there than last year.

Losing Wilkins is a blow but paying him the contract the Raiders did would have been insanity. Losing Davis is a plus.

On the OL we have invested in a new starting center and used a second round pick on - hopefully - our LT of the future. Our RT was a first round pick who we’ve just signed to a long term contract.

The Hunt loss is the same as Wilkins … it’s a shame but was the right call to make.

Most fans are down on Eich. But he showed a lot of guts last year to play through injuries and fill in all across the line. I think he’ll show substantial improvement this year and become a decent starting RG.
 
agree with pretty much everything other than drafting a DT with our top pick next year.....I don’t think the. FO feels that way.....pretty much like guard or center, DT is a position they feel can be filled with a cheap veteran or mid round pick.

DT's often take a little time. In terms of intelligence and quick-processing, it's much more demanding than Edge, and the leap from CFB to NFL is extreme.

So, I think they'd have to see a DT with star potential, particularly as a pass rusher, to consider one in the 1st - given where they are in the build.

But, 2025 looks like DT could be one of the stronger positions, and DT could be where the value is when Miami is drafting.
 
Thanks, Feverdream. Defensive tackle should be one of the most interesting camp battles. But I think you are spot on with your analysis.

Besides Tua and Hill, Seiler's health is probably the most vital. If he stays healthy, this may be a serviceable group.

Agree, DT would be my early guess for Miami's number one pick next year.
that 1st round pick might be wide receiver if you lose Hill and Odell to free agency
 
One clarification: in my OP, I suggested a DT on the first or second day in next year's draft, not exclusively in the first round. As we saw in this year's draft, DTs tend to fall into the 2nd and 3rd rounds after being talked up as 1st round candidates. That happens most years, and Grier tends to be a poker playing guy when it comes to the draft.

I would rate our chances of taking a DT at almost 100% next year, but I wont be surprised if the draftee is our 2nd round pick. Indeed, that's my bet.
 
With the signing of Calais Campbell, this group is complete, and since the signing is present in everyone's mind, let's take a crack at this group next.

First off: This is another group where the number of players to be kept on the roster is in doubt. Last year, we kept 5 and everyone knew this was probably one too few. However, with Fangio using Sieler and Wilkins on almost every down, and the fact that he got away with it when both remained injury free, carrying just 5 worked.

I don't think we'll see this happen again. One, we have a new Defensive Coordinator who is more apt to platoon, and Two, there is NO way 38 year old Campbell logs that many snaps and remains upright. Therefore, I am forecasting that we keep 6 this year. Here we go...

Sieler is obviously the key player here, and he's the only every down DT on this roster. Write his name in pen at one of the DE spots, and hope he remains healthy again.

The other starting DE is Campbell, whose signing pushes Hand to a reserve role, and considering that we cut Hand last year during final cuts (only to resign him), making the initial roster as a hedge against Campbell's age isn't a bad result for the 28 year old journeyman.

On the Nose, we'll likely juggle two players, Teair Tart, and Benito Jones. Tart has the better resume until falling out of favour with his coaching staff last year, and now he's pissed... and playing for a contract. I expect him to thrive in Miami.
Jones is a solid vet who started for Detroit last year. He's a run down thumper only, he wont play on passing downs, but he's improved each year and should stick.

I think 4 of those 5 are fairly safe bets, with only Jones and even moreso, Hand as legitimate targets to be replaced.

Now it gets harder. Gallimore and Harris are both solid, if unspectacular NFL vets, both have logged a lot of downs and are about the same age. Harris has started more games recently, but he was on the Broncos, so he wasn't surrounded by a lot of competition.
Neither player is much of a pass-rushing threat, and despite that... these two might have a shot at taking out Da'Shawn Hand. If either lights it up in camp, either (or both) could stick.
As vested veteran players with some starting experience, these guys are probably poor bets for the practice squad.
One last note, Gallimore's salary is 100% guaranteed for this year and Harris has a 600k guarantee. We enticed these players to sign smallish contracts by guaranteeing them money... we'll likely eat some of that, but it was a good risk for us to take-- especially if they both beat out Hand-- who has a very small guarantee.
Following the money... Hand is starting to look like a cut and resign candidate.

Now... let's discuss the young guys. First up is last year's preseason favourite, Brandon Pili. The Dolphins really liked his early work, but then he completely disappeared once the season began. He spent the season toiling on the PS, and as a 25 year old player who just saw the Dolphins sign Tart and Jones, I think he's a real longshot. This season is do, or more likely, die for him. He's a NT only on a team with quite a few veterans who play that position. Good luck Brandon, you'll need it.

Then there's 28 year old Mack and two 23 year old PS candidates. I suspect that Mack has about as much chance of making the team as Daviyon Nixon did (who we cut earlier this week).

Payne or Kendricks could surprise, I guess... but neither was a heralded player in this year's draft and with as many solid vets are there ahead of them... and the Dolphins thinking Super Bowl, these two would have to have outstanding preseasons to stick.

My way-to-early bet on our roster keeps: Sieler, Campbell, Tart, Jones, Gallimore, and Hand... with Harris as a playable bet. On the bright side, we have 7 for the likely 6 spots. An injury to anyone but Sieler won't kill us.

...and yes, I think DT is a STRONG 1st or 2nd day draft possibility next year... very likely.

Good job. I agree with the 1st 4 and don't really disagree with the remainder. My only hesitation is the variables. One, money, you've mentioned. How much emphasis will be placed on a stone wall NT vs. someone a little quicker and faster? No idea. Will there be some desire to make age (a younger guy with potential) a tie-breaker? Again, no idea. To me, this will be one of the most interesting battles this summer.
 
Good job. I agree with the 1st 4 and don't really disagree with the remainder. My only hesitation is the variables. One, money, you've mentioned. How much emphasis will be placed on a stone wall NT vs. someone a little quicker and faster? No idea. Will there be some desire to make age (a younger guy with potential) a tie-breaker? Again, no idea. To me, this will be one of the most interesting battles this summer.
One thing jumped out at me when I started looking at the money and age angle. All of these guys, with the notable exception of Campbell, are very similar in age. Jones is the youngest at 26, and all of the rest of them are 27 or 28 years old.
Only the likely practice squad guys are younger at 23.
These guys are mid-career age for DTs and the 'keep the youngest' mantra has no place here at all... it's almost like they stamped these guys out of a mold.
 
I like the mix of physicality and speed at DT. Gallimore and Hand are both exceptionally fast for DT, and Tart and Campbell are legit ass-kickers. Seiler will likely be the best DT, and he's between those groups stylistically. Jones is strong and stout.

While it would have been nice to keep Wilkins, I think the DT room is fine, particularly with the upgrades at Edge and LB. And, I'll take the depth and other upgrades over Wilkins. The DT room should also benefit from moving on from Raekwon Davis, who was bad more often than not.

For the first time in a while, Miami has a vet that demands respect and has a proven track record in every defensive group - Edge, IDL, LB, CB, and S. While I expect there to be a period of transition with the new system, the vets should help, and the similarities to the last system should help. It's not like 2023, where Miami had a complete philosophical shift, so I expect them to play well sooner than 2023, when the D didn't start to play well until the Philly game - almost halfway through the season.
Gallimore is kind of interesting. He has talent, just hasn't put it together.

I have high hopes for the linebacker room with the new additions.

On paper, this could be a top 10 defense especially if some of the new pass rushers hit (Robinson, Barnett).
 
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