Purposely injuring players?

[SackArtist]

After watching Vickerson's season flushed down the toilet from a dirty block I was :fire: . I remembered who the Falcons o-line coach is. He is a dirty scumbag who teaches cheap tactics that end players seasons. I know Alex Gibbs (falcons o-line coach) used to coach the Broncos. Right now I'm watching the Broncos play the cardinals and i'm noticing something about them (broncos), Which brings me to this question.

Do the broncos purposely use cheap tactics to take out players?

First of all, the Broncos o-line is already known for their dirty play. How about their defense? Remember the time Kenoy Kennedy put that dirty hit on Chambers? Chambers received a concussion and didn't play the same the rest of the season.

As I'm watching this preseason game I see some player on the Broncos. He is playing safety! His name is Sam Brandon I think. He plays similiar to how the traditional safety plays for Denver. Hard Hitter. I'm beginning to think it's not the players who plays dirty. When a guy like Sam Brandon is playing like this it's obviously the team. I could be wrong but I don't remember John Lynch putting all these big hits on players when he used to play for the Bucs. I can remember some hits he put on players last season like the hit he put on Dallas Clark, or the hit where the Chargers backup RB got his helmet knocked off (Chatman I think). Add to that the infamous Kenoy Kennedy who sucks. He's basically out there to injure people cause he can't cover. And last but not least, the O-line.

Do the Broncos use cheap tactics like taking out players to win? Or am I exaggerating. it seems like they would do whatever it takes to knock your players out. We play them next and I'll be pretty :fire: if someone like JT gets cut from his blindside or Chambers gets another helmet2helmet hit.

 

[GRYPHONK]

After watching Vickerson's season flushed down the toilet from a dirty block I was :fire: . I remembered who the Falcons o-line coach is. He is a dirty scumbag who teaches cheap tactics that end players seasons. I know Alex Gibbs (falcons o-line coach) used to coach the Broncos. Right now I'm watching the Broncos play the cardinals and i'm noticing something about them (broncos), Which brings me to this question.

Do the broncos purposely use cheap tactics to take out players?

First of all, the Broncos o-line is already known for their dirty play. How about their defense? Remember the time Kenoy Kennedy put that dirty hit on Chambers? Chambers received a concussion and didn't play the same the rest of the season.

As I'm watching this preseason game I see some player on the Broncos. He is playing safety! His name is Sam Brandon I think. He plays similiar to how the traditional safety plays for Denver. Hard Hitter. I'm beginning to think it's not the players who plays dirty. When a guy like Sam Brandon is playing like this it's obviously the team. I could be wrong but I don't remember John Lynch putting all these big hits on players when he used to play for the Bucs. I can remember some hits he put on players last season like the hit he put on Dallas Clark, or the hit where the Chargers backup RB got his helmet knocked off (Chatman I think). Add to that the infamous Kenoy Kennedy who sucks. He's basically out there to injure people cause he can't cover. And last but not least, the O-line.

Do the Broncos use cheap tactics like taking out players to win? Or am I exaggerating. it seems like they would do whatever it takes to knock your players out. We play them next and I'll be pretty :fire: if someone like JT gets cut from his blindside or Chambers gets another helmet2helmet hit.

Wasn't it Romanowski with the Broncos that admitted they were gonna purposely go at Vicks legs to try and take him out.

I forget, I might be wrong on the player and team, but I remember it was when Vick came back from his leg injury. Someone was saying he was gonna go after his legs.

 

[Rhody Phins Fan]

They may not purposely hurt players but their whole blocking philosophy is based on cut blocks. Its a dirty way to block and theyve injured alot of players with their style.

 

[djfresh47]

No, and say what ya want about Alex Gibbs, but he is by far the best offensive line coach in the league. Atlanta gave up the most sacks last season, but I think that was more a result of Vick scrambling, than the offensive line. The team cut blocks, but rarely is a flag thrown, and most of the tactics are legal. Kennedy had a few dirty hits, but I would take him on the Phins in a second, cry all ya want, a player got hurt, but players get hurt all the time. I don't think anyone is purposely taken out, injuries just happen.

 

[djfresh47]

They may not purposely hurt players but their whole blocking philosophy is based on cut blocks. Its a dirty way to block and theyve injured alot of players with their style.

And it's legal. I'm more disgusted with the "horse collar" rule, that is a garbage rule that was made because one of the games biggest stars went down, and it ultimately didn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

 

[texasPHINSfan]

great, more conspiracy threads.

look, if the block is legal, there is nothing wrong with doing it, regardless of how "dirty" it may seem. We do it just as much to other teams as it is done to us. We were just unlucky enough to get an injury out of it.

It comes with the territory of the NFL. One of those things.... everyone does it, but when it happens to you, you want to cry about it.

 

[texasPHINSfan]

And it's legal. I'm more disgusted with the "horse collar" rule, that is a garbage rule that was made because one of the games biggest stars went down, and it ultimately didn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

actually i'm in favor of that rule... that kind of tackle is a last-ditch effort which is the DB admitting to the fact he "missed" the tackle. When the tackle in question almost always invariably leads to an injury, why not make it illegal? it cost one receiver his season last year and took the NFL's most visible receiver out for a couple of months.

 

[4evaFinz]

The horse collar rule is a joke...

As for cut blocks they should be elimated...

It is wierd how when one big star goes down things need to change, but when many other players go down to something else, it doesn't really matter...

I have played both runningback and linebacker, and I must say I'd rather be horsecollar tackled then cut block.

 

[MrClean]

Alex Gibbs was not the originator of this type of o-line blocking. It can be traced back to the 49ers when their OL coach was Bobb McKittrick. They also had a few dirty cheap shot artists on the OL of their Super Bowl teams and the first one that comes to mind was Guy McIntyre. He knocked Karl Mecklenberg out of that Super Bowl where the 49ers slaughtered the Broncos with a chop block.
The tactics that Gibbs teaches are somewhat mild when compared to what McKittrick wanted his 49er O-linemen to do. He used to teach his guys to run up the backs of guys' legs. He used to teach them to chase people down and clip them from behind.
McKittrick died in 1999 of bile duct cancer, which is a painful way to die. So maybe sometimes things turn out as the Buddhists believe strongly: What goes around, comes around.

 

[GRYPHONK]

actually i'm in favor of that rule... that kind of tackle is a last-ditch effort which is the DB admitting to the fact he "missed" the tackle. When the tackle in question almost always invariably leads to an injury, why not make it illegal? it cost one receiver his season last year and took the NFL's most visible receiver out for a couple of months.

Yeah this kind of tackle buckles the knee and almost in a sense locks the neck and spine.

When tackles like this happen it makes the spine and bones bend in ways that it is not physicallymeant to do.

People that say it's no big deal either haven't studied anatomy or honestly just don't know what they are talking about.

A cut block doesn't have the opportunity of paralyzing you like a horse collar tackle. That is a fact.

 

[Jaj]

When are people going to understand that the Denver OL and Atlanta OL have never been great at pass blocking. It's not a complete strategy. Ask an intelligent Denver fan and they'll tell you their pass blocking has often been shoddy.

 

[jlfin]

And it's legal. I'm more disgusted with the "horse collar" rule, that is a garbage rule that was made because one of the games biggest stars went down, and it ultimately didn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

Legal doesn't make it right. Only a few teams do it and most teams are against it. That should tell you something.

 

[LarryFinFan]

great, more conspiracy threads.

look, if the block is legal, there is nothing wrong with doing it, regardless of how "dirty" it may seem. We do it just as much to other teams as it is done to us. We were just unlucky enough to get an injury out of it.

It comes with the territory of the NFL. One of those things.... everyone does it, but when it happens to you, you want to cry about it.

You are absolutely right, the block is legal, although has been known to hurt players in the past, and probably will continue...the Broncos and other teams that use this style of "cut block" are allowed, by league rules, to use it...the issue is whether or not it should be legal...

But to think that someone was going after someone is ridiculous, IMHO...having played college ball, I'll tell you that in my day, yes, it went on...if you perceived that someone had done something illegal and gotten away with it (it could be as simple as holding or as serious as an 'after the play scrum' that didn't get detected) then some players would go after other players...kinda like the Dale Jarrett move last week...where he got bumped and then purposely went out and bumped that same driver...

On the professional level, and some 20 years since I played ball...I would doubt that it really goes on...I don't think the player involved "went after" Vickerson...I think he just was trying to make a play...again, it was a "legal" block...and that is all you can say about it...

My personal opinion, is that there is no room in the NFL for vendettas, whether that be a defense going after a certain player on offense or just two players getting involved during the heat of a game, but there is no basis on which to complain about the chop block. Besides all that, the player making the block more than likely was just trying to take Vickerson out of the play, not take him out of the game..

 

[4evaFinz]

You are absolutely right, the block is legal, although has been known to hurt players in the past, and probably will continue...the Broncos and other teams that use this style of "cut block" are allowed, by league rules, to use it...the issue is whether or not it should be legal...

But to think that someone was going after someone is ridiculous, IMHO...having played college ball, I'll tell you that in my day, yes, it went on...if you perceived that someone had done something illegal and gotten away with it (it could be as simple as holding or as serious as an 'after the play scrum' that didn't get detected) then some players would go after other players...kinda like the Dale Jarrett move last week...where he got bumped and then purposely went out and bumped that same driver...

On the professional level, and some 20 years since I played ball...I would doubt that it really goes on...I don't think the player involved "went after" Vickerson...I think he just was trying to make a play...again, it was a "legal" block...and that is all you can say about it...

My personal opinion, is that there is no room in the NFL for vendettas, whether that be a defense going after a certain player on offense or just two players getting involved during the heat of a game, but there is no basis on which to complain about the chop block. Besides all that, the player making the block more than likely was just trying to take Vickerson out of the play, not take him out of the game..

I have to disagree as from what I have heard Vickerson was away from the play, and hit from behind. If that isn't trying to hurt someone, I don't know what is...