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I don't get this. I don't get this at all. While I am without a doubt a Feeley supporter, I will not question that Gus has played better thus far. I certainly don't think it's by much, but he has played better (even if luck played a hand in it).

What bothers me about Gus starting is what it means for the future.

1) Look at his stats. They aren't any better than Fiedler (actually slightly worse). Feeley might have the potential to be better, and he might not. The thing is, with Gus, there's a pretty high probability that you know what you're going to get. With AJ, who's still young and largely inexperienced, you still have more hope you can do better.

2) If we start Frerotte, we basically give up on this season. We all but commit to drafting a QB (or trading for one) and ending up getting nothing (or next to nothing) for Feeley.

3) I still believe the Linehan / Frerotte advantage is pretty tenuous at best, if at all, but apparently the coaching staff doesn't. I would've thought it would be the other way around if you would've told me it was Gus' job to lose.

I'll support whoever gets under center for my team, but I don't like the idea of making a decision after two preseason quarters. I also don't like the criteria being used.

But oh well, that's life.
 
Maybe the coaching staff dont see much room for improvement in AJ and just thin that Gus negates any improvement AJ would have made anyway. They coach we dont....im sure if they thought AJ had it he would be starting.
 
I don't see it that way. I like Feeley too, but as Saban pointed out, it's not all about skill. Gus is winning not because he's better, but because he isn't playing as inconsistent. Saban sounds like he likes AJ, and doesn't fully want to commit to Gus, but has to go with the more stable QB even if not as talented.

I wouldn't say starting Gus equates to throwing in the towel, I think Gus in Scott's offense with this OL and R&R will do better then anything Jay had and he won 10 games a few times.

This is the time, the winding down time, for AJ to step up. If he wants this fricking job he needs to stop whining and take it. it's his, just like it was last year when he dropped the ball. Granted last year was a broken ship, but AJ needs to put up or shut up these next two weeks.
 
I agree, I would rather have Feeley out there to have some excitment of a young QB out there who could become trade bait before next years draft than have boring Frerotte out there, like you said, basically knowing that we have to draft a QB next year. Either way I know Saban will make the right choice, weter I or you agree with it.
 
Feeleys a bum... He is never gonna be the QB of the future for you guys, like a previous poster said, he should take the job.

Honestly, after having Dan Marino here, are you gonna be happy with a QB that can't beat out gus Frerotte.... of course not.
 
At first I felt the same way about Gus starting. I thought AJ at least has some upside to him (possibly) and we already know what Gus' talent level is.

Then I thought about it this way. If one QB is clearly outplaying another QB, what type of "winning" message is it sending to the other players if the coach puts in the 2nd best player. The other players could resent not being given the best chance to win this yr and could even say scrw it (the coach doesn't care about this season anyway) and not play hard.

I believe Saban would like to see AJ win out also but can't just give it to him if he doesn't earn it. Besides, AJ will most likely get some chances during the season anyway. It is unlikely Gus can last an entire season w/o injury or a bad game.
 
The decision was not just based on the preseason games, but also on TC. AJ has some mental liabilities. These are usually very difficult to overcome. I've been saying for a long time that it's not just a matter of learning the O. This guy lacks feel. Without feel, I don't care how strong his arm is, he will always be prone to the bonehead play. Even Fiedler, who had a poor arm but at least some feel, is preferrable. AJ will never be as good as Fiedler and Fiedler was never be good enough. The fact is that the AJ supporters wanted to see potential, but I didn't see any and I don't think Saban/Linehan see it either.
 
Losman7 said:
Feeleys a bum... He is never gonna be the QB of the future for you guys, like a previous poster said, he should take the job.
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More Buffalo smack in the main forum :rolleyes:

While I currently think Frerrotte should start, the "bum" Feeley was one of only a couple of QB's that was able to direct their team to victory against the Patriots last year..
 
I don't know what to think anymore. I recall last year Feeley was spit on left and right, and even with that garbage line put in front of him he went 3-5 as a starter. That's better than Fiedler, a guy who in the previous years had, if not the best, one of the best winning percentages for a starting quarterback. Last year wasn't really a barometer by any means, and Feeley did reasonably well given the circumstances.

I don't know the first thing about training camp, but I don't think Gus should be named the starter based on what we've seen so far. Feeley probably does have some mental issues from getting smashed last year. Those of us who play football know that having time to throw makes you not only more confident but far more relaxed as well. Nonetheless, Feeley threw an interception that wasn't entirely his fault (he wasn't playing with a great cast and Newson made no attempt) while Gus managed a touchdown (it may have been an accident, but he looked a little better on that drive).

The thing that bothers me most, I think, is that if Gus is the starter now, then there was never a competition to begin with. I just don't like being lied to. Either that, or Saban's criteria for selecting a starting QB is weak. What he needs to do is let these guys play a half. That way, they get to adjust to the defense, and the defense gets to adjust to them. One quarter really proves next to nothing, especially in preseason. I happen to think that Feeley looked better against the Bears' first-team defense then Frerotte did against Jacksonville's. I don't think any quarterback was going to avoid the blitzes that got Feeley in the Chicago game.
 
flintsilver7 said:
I don't know what to think anymore. I recall last year Feeley was spit on left and right, and even with that garbage line put in front of him he went 3-5 as a starter. That's better than Fiedler, a guy who in the previous years had, if not the best, one of the best winning percentages for a starting quarterback. Last year wasn't really a barometer by any means, and Feeley did reasonably well given the circumstances.

I don't know the first thing about training camp, but I don't think Gus should be named the starter based on what we've seen so far. Feeley probably does have some mental issues from getting smashed last year. Those of us who play football know that having time to throw makes you not only more confident but far more relaxed as well. Nonetheless, Feeley threw an interception that wasn't entirely his fault (he wasn't playing with a great cast and Newson made no attempt) while Gus managed a touchdown (it may have been an accident, but he looked a little better on that drive).

The thing that bothers me most, I think, is that if Gus is the starter now, then there was never a competition to begin with. I just don't like being lied to. Either that, or Saban's criteria for selecting a starting QB is weak. What he needs to do is let these guys play a half. That way, they get to adjust to the defense, and the defense gets to adjust to them. One quarter really proves next to nothing, especially in preseason. I happen to think that Feeley looked better against the Bears' first-team defense then Frerotte did against Jacksonville's. I don't think any quarterback was going to avoid the blitzes that got Feeley in the Chicago game.
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It seems alot of folks are upset that the "decision" is being made so quickly. If you all recall, it was a belated decision last year that cost us so much. We all knew it was wrong last year when DW teetered back and forth with the starting job by splitting snaps in camp and not allowing the legitemate starter, whoever that was, time to build a chemistry with the ones. Disastrous move. So why are you all suprised that Saban is being assertive by going with someone early and at least giving them the best opportunity for success. Keep splitting the snaps and the team loses no matter what. Go with a guy early and give him a real fighting chance, and maybe the team wins. Think about it. It only makes sense.
 
StLouisFinFan said:
It seems alot of folks are upset that the "decision" is being made so quickly. If you all recall, it was a belated decision last year that cost us so much. We all knew it was wrong last year when DW teetered back and forth with the starting job by splitting snaps in camp and not allowing the legitemate starter, whoever that was, time to build a chemistry with the ones. Disastrous move. So why are you all suprised that Saban is being assertive by going with someone early and at least giving them the best opportunity for success. Keep splitting the snaps and the team loses no matter what. Go with a guy early and give him a real fighting chance, and maybe the team wins. Think about it. It only makes sense.
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Well, you're absolutely right about that. Naming a starter early is important. Splitting snaps is probably the worst thing we can do. However, we could go another two weeks - two more weeks of training camp, and two more preseason games - before naming a starter. I just have the nagging feeling that if Gus starts, A.J. is going to end up in there before long, and if A.J. starts, he's got a better chance of going the distance.
 
flintsilver7 said:
Well, you're absolutely right about that. Naming a starter early is important. Splitting snaps is probably the worst thing we can do. However, we could go another two weeks - two more weeks of training camp, and two more preseason games - before naming a starter. I just have the nagging feeling that if Gus starts, A.J. is going to end up in there before long, and if A.J. starts, he's got a better chance of going the distance.
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Saban, and us fans, have seen enough out of these two to know that there isn't a big difference between the two in terms of raw talent, otherwise one would have clearly pulled away. The only thing that is going to turn either one of those QBs into a quality leader capable of directing this team to victory is repetition and chemistry (see GFs comments on bond with WRs; fade routes; etc.). Saban clearly has a hunch that GF is better suited to fulfill that role given his knowledge of the system. From what it sounds like, Saban feels all GF needs is time with the ones to flourish, while Feely needs something else altogether, what that is we don't know. Simply put, GF is the better bet for this year, and who knows, maybe next year too. In the mean time they may have the time needed to draft a QB and let him watch for a year.
 
We need to name a Starter Now!

Guys and gals, to interact, I guess I am really not at liberty to demand much of Coach Saban, but one thing that must be done right now is to name a starting QB for the rest of the Pre-season. We have 3 games left and we need to get a QB more practice and playing time with the 1st unit!

If Gus is slightly better than AJ, than he must take control now, and not be the same fiasco that played out in TC last year. Everyone remembers no QB took the majority of the snaps till the start of the Season.

We need our QB to work on timing, and game preparation with the rest of the Offensive unit...
 
Feeley is a bum, I've tried to like the guy, but if he doesn't make this team with our quarterback situation, he'd be hardpressed to make it anywhere, but maybe Chicago (who signed Jeff Blake) or San Fran as a 3rd or 4th stringer. Once he's cut by the Dolphins, I think he'll be out of the league completely, unless New England feels they can pick him up and plug him anywhere!
 
Okay, he is my Criteria

1, You most have a good solid name like Bob, Dan, Joe etc... No more (AJ, Jay, Sage, Brock).

After that, throw the ball to the guys in the agua and coral uniforms.
 
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