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QB Measurables of last ten Super Bowl Winners

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1999 - John Elway 6' 3" 215
2000 - Kurt Warner 6'2" 220
2001 - Trent Dilfer 6'4" 225
2002 - Tom Brady 6'4" 225
2003 - Brad Johnson 6'5" 226
2004 - Tom Brady 6'4" 225
2005 - Tom Brady 6'4" 225
2006 - Ben Roethslisberger 6'5" 240
2007 - Peyton Manning 6'5" 230
2008 - Eli Manning 6'4" 218

Its been eight years since a QB shorter than 6'4" has won a SuperBowl. Just one of the many reasons I think we'll end up drafting Matt Ryan, Brohm or Flacco
 
:lol: I don't think it's the #1 reason but it's one of em. Good list. If Parcells chooses to go Matt Ryan over Chris Long or choose Flacco and have the ejection button ready for Beck, I won't mind at all.
 
Regan21286 said:
:lol: I don't think it's the #1 reason but it's one of em. Good list. If Parcells chooses to go Matt Ryan over Chris Long or choose Flacco and have the ejection button ready for Beck, I won't mind at all.
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:lol: Its way down the list of reasons but I havent used it yet. Just trying to keep things fresh. :D Actually I should include Brohm even though I think he'll be drafted mid 1st.
 
thats actually a pretty impressive stat imho...but what do i know...
 
That's a bit misleading, being Tom Brady and the Patriots have won the past how many. I don't think they won because of his 6'4" stature either.

I think that's an unfair comparison, Roethlisberger and Johnson were game managers. Tom Brady was pretty much a game manager too (until this year), but he didn't win the Super Bowl. Eli Manning is more of a game manager as well, while Peyton isn't really a game manager.

It seems that as of late the SB winners could be said to be "game managers" IMO. Which seems to be in Beck's favor... And with that logic, Matt Ryan will not be drafted by the Miami Dolphins... We have to go BPA for the most part, Ryan isn't even a top ten worthy player IMO. We better take Long or Dorsey at #1.
 
GridIronKing34 said:
That's a bit misleading, being Tom Brady and the Patriots have won the past how many. I don't think they won because of his 6'4" stature either.

I think that's an unfair comparison, Roethlisberger and Johnson were game managers. Tom Brady was pretty much a game manager too (until this year), but he didn't win the Super Bowl. Eli Manning is more of a game manager as well, while Peyton isn't really a game manager.

It seems that as of late the SB winners could be said to be "game managers" IMO. Which seems to be in Beck's favor... And with that logic, Matt Ryan will not be drafted by the Miami Dolphins... We have to go BPA for the most part, Ryan isn't even a top ten worthy player IMO. We better take Long or Dorsey at #1.
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That's a pretty good argument. I do think that once you get into the playoffs you better be able to play like a game manager. The defenses get too good to rely on the big play to sustain drives. Ryan and Brohm both have the intangibles to be great game managaers due to their football intelligence. Flacco is obviously a two or three year project.

I would say that there are two distinct advantages that size gives. One, all of these QBs last entire seasons. I know Big Ben has been dinged alot but all of the others are relatively injury free. The smaller you get at QB the greater the likelihood you will be injured.

Two, once you get into the playoffs and are facing nothing but good defenses you will need the ability to periodically make plays. You will have to escape pressure when called upon, create on the run when the play breaks down, stand tall in the pocket and look down the field for that one opportunity. These become very serious advantages the taller QBs have when playing in the playoffs. You simply can't rely on having perfect pass protection once you get into the playoffs. In at least one of the three or four defenses you face in your SuperBowl drive you are going to have a game when the pocket is constantly pressured and you need to be able to be effective in that kind of environment to bring home the ring
 
GridIronKing34 said:
That's a bit misleading, being Tom Brady and the Patriots have won the past how many. I don't think they won because of his 6'4" stature either.

I think that's an unfair comparison, Roethlisberger and Johnson were game managers. Tom Brady was pretty much a game manager too (until this year), but he didn't win the Super Bowl. Eli Manning is more of a game manager as well, while Peyton isn't really a game manager.

It seems that as of late the SB winners could be said to be "game managers" IMO. Which seems to be in Beck's favor... And with that logic, Matt Ryan will not be drafted by the Miami Dolphins... We have to go BPA for the most part, Ryan isn't even a top ten worthy player IMO. We better take Long or Dorsey at #1.
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the other side of the argument though...

john elway, kurt warner, peyton manning.... game breakers/changers

tom brady, trent dilfer, eli manning, brad johnson... game managers

I don't recall for sure, but I think dilfer put up a significant amount of points, but it may have come from the run game.

big ben, I think could go either way. he can manage a game, and as he showed last year, he can chuck 4-5 tds a game.
 
adamprez2003 said:
1999 - John Elway 6' 3" 215
2000 - Kurt Warner 6'2" 220
2001 - Trent Dilfer 6'4" 225
2002 - Tom Brady 6'4" 225
2003 - Brad Johnson 6'5" 226
2004 - Tom Brady 6'4" 225
2005 - Tom Brady 6'4" 225
2006 - Ben Roethslisberger 6'5" 240
2007 - Peyton Manning 6'5" 230
2008 - Eli Manning 6'4" 218

Its been eight years since a QB shorter than 6'4" has won a SuperBowl. Just one of the many reasons I think we'll end up drafting Matt Ryan, Brohm or Flacco
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Still on the draft Ryan #1 overall kick I see :lol: Where I can understand where you're coming from, I have an honest question to ask:

Would you have created this list if Cameron had his way and you hadn't seen Beck play at all this year? Would you say, without ever having seen him take a single snap, "oh, he'll never make it because he's not a classic big QB prototype kind of guy?"
 
I notice a Qb whose last name begins with "B" has won three Super Bowls..:lol::lol:

Actually, the one thing that majority of those Qb's have is the ability to make at least 1 play, you do not need a Mike Vick, or even a Steve Young, but your QB has to make at least 1 play, or one drive.

Eli for example, had a statistically similar game to Peyton, but that one play to Tyree was the difference in the game, that is the sort of talent that you need to win a SB, not a QB who can 50 yds on scramble, but a Qb who can keep a play alive and Make A Play.
Except for Dilfer and Brad Johnson, all of those Qb's had that ability.

Nice list though Adamprez, your Sith Lord Ryan will be pleased with you..:wink:
 
emocomputerjock said:
Still on the draft Ryan #1 overall kick I see :lol: Where I can understand where you're coming from, I have an honest question to ask:

Would you have created this list if Cameron had his way and you hadn't seen Beck play at all this year? Would you say, without ever having seen him take a single snap, "oh, he'll never make it because he's not a classic big QB prototype kind of guy?"
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Yeah. For a few reasons.

One, I was never sold on the draftpick to begin with. I hadnt really scouted him because the couple of BYU games I watched with him I didnt think that much of him. Its the same for me with Colt Brennan this year. The QBs I would have considered drafting last year were Kolb, Edwards, Gutierrez and Korrodi.

Two, I was just very, very impressed by Ryan. Even if we had drafted any of the guys I wouldve considered I still would draft Ryan. To me he's franchise material and those type of QBs just dont come around that often. Anytime you can get one, unless you have one already, you grab them. Doesnt matter what else you need. A franchise QB is available, draft him.

Three, to me the three position you draft at number one overall are QB, RDE in a 4-3 or a pass rushing OLB in a 3-4 and a LOT. Jake Long is a ROT so he's off the list and Chris Long is more of a Mike Vrabel type if he's going to be a 3-4 OLB. I would rather keep Taylor than draft C. Long to replace him

Four, Parcells wants big QBs. Ryan fits.

Five, I have a bias similar to Parcells when it comes to prototypes. I want big linemen and big QBs. That to me is a SuperBowl formula

Now if we had stayed away from Culpepper and had used that second to move up to draft Cutler I would be on the Chris Long bandwagon. But I dont want to put my hopes on a 6'2" QB when those are a dying breed outside of the west coast offense. I know Matt Ryan will be a good QB in a few years. Hopefully Beck develops into a good one also. Then we can trade one
 
padre31 said:
I notice a Qb whose last name begins with "B" has won three Super Bowls..:lol::lol:

Actually, the one thing that majority of those Qb's have is the ability to make at least 1 play, you do not need a Mike Vick, or even a Steve Young, but your QB has to make at least 1 play, or one drive.

Eli for example, had a statistically similar game to Peyton, but that one play to Tyree was the difference in the game, that is the sort of talent that you need to win a SB, not a QB who can 50 yds on scramble, but a Qb who can keep a play alive and Make A Play.
Except for Dilfer and Brad Johnson, all of those Qb's had that ability.

Nice list though Adamprez, your Sith Lord Ryan will be pleased with you..:wink:
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I agree that's what seperates the pretenders from the champs when it comes to SB rings. The ability to make something out of nothing at critical times. My Sith Lord is pleased :lol:
 
im sorry. but this thread makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

u have 3 of the greatest QBs ever accounting for 5 of those Super bowls. and 3 guys having little to do with winning the super bowl. that leaves 2 guys. one is 6'2. and the other is 6'4. means nothing.
 
Nappy Roots said:
im sorry. but this thread makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

u have 3 of the greatest QBs ever accounting for 5 of those Super bowls. and 3 guys having little to do with winning the super bowl. that leaves 2 guys. one is 6'2. and the other is 6'4. means nothing.
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What makes them great? Part of it, not all, but part of it is their size
 
Nappy Roots said:
one of the three is 6'3. favre is 6'2...i must be missing something here.
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Well if I expanded it to twenty years we could use Favre. If I expanded it to forty years we could use 6'0" QBs probably. There is a trend here that 6'4" is the prototype size you want to shoot for in a QB
 
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