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I have a feeling that there is not going to be a standard group of players used in the wildcat formation this year. I believe the coaches are going to rotate several different player combinations, Such as P. White in Pennington’s old role as WR and R. Brown in his same position taking the snap. I also could see P. White in R. Browns old role as the QB and Pennington still on the field as the WR(two live arms, defenses will worry)

That being said, I think the most used Wildcat formation will have R. Brown taking snaps and P. White playing Pennington’s last season role of WR. It is after all a predominant running formation. So it is still Ronnie Brown's show. I love the Pat White pick and think he adds a dynamic dimension to the offense.

First a statement,
The Fins will have R. Brown on the field as much as possible. He does everything VERY well. He's top 10 in the league as a runner and top 3 among RB's as far as blocking/blitz pickup, receiving/hands/routes.

Now the question,
What is R. Browns role in the wildcat when P. White is taking the snaps?
And i don't think the answer is Ricky's role last year, sweeps/reverses? Not Ronnie’s game.
 
How did teams stop the Atlanta Falcons when Vick was there? We have to be careful in not thinking the Wildcat will be the cornerstone of our offense, but a valid option to surprise opposing defenses...I wouldnt like our offense to depend solely on trickery to beat our opponents, but use it instead as another weapon, like borrowing a fresh George Foreman for a jab when your fight is in the 10th round and your legs are queezy...
 
I would imagine alot of formations with White lined up at tailback or WR.

The times when White takes the snap I picture something simlilar to a spread/option that Urban Myer runs at Florida.

You may have White take the snap - rollout option, or hand off to Ronnie, trail the RB and option to run (Ronnies) or pitch the ball to White who either runs or throws.

I doubt you'll see White take it between the tackles, but who knows at this point.

Mainly though, I think we will see alot of end-around, misdirection style plays involving White.
 
I think we can all take our guesses on how it's going to be used with differen't personell but nobody really knows at this point, hell I'm not even sure the coaches know yet.
 
is CK the oracle or something?

I'm getting tired of people addressing him everytime a questions about football is asked.

I'm starting to not like the Parrot guy.
 
3rdandinches said:
Please explain how or why it would have been viewed that way!
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Because it took pedestrian QBs and made them look great, by way of using a form of passing that everyone thought wasn't coherent (timing and precision, *all the time*). It was thought of as a fad, something that poor teams with no QB could try for a while, but once they had a proper QB they would install a proper offense.

Of course, that was before 81.
 
ADavieDolphin said:
is CK the oracle or something?

I'm getting tired of people addressing him everytime a questions about football is asked.

I'm starting to not like the Parrot guy.
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That sounds like jealousy, CK has been around a long time and the guy puts in a lot of work on all thing dolphins..he does a lot of research on players, formations, games and does a good job of analyzing football in general for such a young guy.. I sometimes want to tell him to get a life...:lol: I love what he adds to the conversations here, it's good to have a guy who spend so much time analyzing all this stuff and presents it a clearly journalistic way...good writer, which I think is his trade mark.. I think ppl respect his views and there's nothing wrong with that..it doesn't mean he always right, but he shares what he's learn after putting in so much time in gathering info to share with the board.. everyone in this forum adds something in one way or another.. CK has gained a prep that ppl respect, nothing wrong with that..you shouldn't not like a person because other ppl respect him.. the poster has a right to ask anyone on this board a question. and CK is a "anyone" on this board..:up: BTW, I've had some good battles with CK on this board, won some lost some, it's just good to be able to pick someone's brain..
 
I can see whole threads with a question like that getting a bit annoying, so anyone should feel free to PM me with questions.

I have a feeling that there is not going to be a standard group of players used in the wildcat formation this year. I believe the coaches are going to rotate several different player combinations, Such as P. White in Pennington’s old role as WR and R. Brown in his same position taking the snap. I also could see P. White in R. Browns old role as the QB and Pennington still on the field as the WR(two live arms, defenses will worry)

That being said, I think the most used Wildcat formation will have R. Brown taking snaps and P. White playing Pennington’s last season role of WR. It is after all a predominant running formation. So it is still Ronnie Brown's show. I love the Pat White pick and think he adds a dynamic dimension to the offense.

First a statement,
The Fins will have R. Brown on the field as much as possible. He does everything VERY well. He's top 10 in the league as a runner and top 3 among RB's as far as blocking/blitz pickup, receiving/hands/routes.

Now the question,
What is R. Browns role in the wildcat when P. White is taking the snaps?
And i don't think the answer is Ricky's role last year, sweeps/reverses? Not Ronnie’s game.
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The way I envision this happening is first off, we've got ourselves a pretty proven combination of personnel for the Wildcat.

Ricky Williams, Ronnie Brown and Patrick Cobbs combined to give the Dolphins some real punch and Wildcat runs averaged over 6 yards per carry, even after the initial success against the Patriots. I believe there are still all kinds of avenues to pursue with that personnel.

I'm not sure about the reluctance to put Ronnie Brown into Ricky Williams' role. I would absolutely do it. I would also do it in reverse, if Pat White showed an ability to throw the ball with his left hand while running to his right. Getting a mix of Ronnie Brown and Pat White as the two exchange backs is the only way to give the threat of the big run as well as the big pass.

I've been thinking about this a lot. I was very reluctant toward the idea of handing Pat White the role occupied by Ronnie Brown because I believe that the numbers 'advantage' and angles of the Wildcat don't turn a marginal running back into a great one. I believe if you're a good running back normally, you'll be a good running back in the Wildcat. A good NFL back is usually bigger, 215 or 220+. The biggest question I have about a Wildcat back is could I line this guy up in a singleback formation against 7 men in the box and have him run for good yardage on a consistent basis. If the answer is no, then I don't think defenses will fear his running from the Wildcat enough to leave the pass wide open.

That's why of the two backs at the exchange point, I believe Ronnie Brown still needs to be one of them. Defenses need to FEAR the run angles, and Ronnie Brown showed that if you give him the wrong crease, even if you end up having him go one-on-one with a defender in the open field, he might well just plow that defender into the dirt and then scamper the next 60 yards for a score. Pat White's not doing that. He needs much more wide open spaces, angles, etc. And he's not really faster than the people on the field, either. Ronnie Brown is probably faster.

The key is getting defenses to fear BOTH the run and pass. If they only fear the pass, because the running ability of Pat White isn't that compelling, they'll shut that down eventually. Just like good defenses shut down Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams when most of what they feared was just the run and we couldn't pass effectively. Exchanging one for the other is no good. You need to have danger at both in order to make it sustainable. The best way I can think of doing that is by having a combination of Ronnie Brown and Pat White at the exchange point, with either Pat taking the shotgun snap ro Ronnie taking the shotgun snap.

If you take Chad Pennington off the field, you have to keep in mind that the defense would have an opportunity to put a specialized personnel package onto the field that is specifically designed to stop the Wildcat/Option attack. Then again, it could be said that since Pat White is not really working as a WR for the Dolphins, just putting him on the field at all does the same thing.

I think the real innovation that we'll see is Pat White on the field at QB with Pennington not there at all, and basically Pat running option plays that look like Wildcat plays. I think for the vast majority of these plays though, the exchange point will consist of Pat White and Ronnie Brown.

Pat Cobbs will probably also be on the field. I say this because he is a versatile player. When he is out on the wings, he is an excellent blocker. But, in the Ravens playoff game, when we were down a number of receivers, we used Pat Cobbs as a slot WR pretty extensively and he acquitted himself quite well. He's very coordinated, he's very smart, he's athletic, has decent size, and he's a high effort player. He can do most things he puts his mind toward. That's a Wes Welker trait. I believe Pat Cobbs would probably be involved in a lot of Wildcat plays.

Hope that answers your question.
 
ADavieDolphin said:
is CK the oracle or something?

I'm getting tired of people addressing him everytime a questions about football is asked.

I'm starting to not like the Parrot guy.
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Its because he has a higher football IQ than 99.9% of the posters here.
 
I wish CK, Boomer, and a few others from the VIP would post here more often!!! Seriously, how can we down here in Disneyland not enjoy educated posters, who spend their coffee infested hours gathering valuable info, stats, and the ocational laugh?
 
haha, i should have put a "lol" after the 'i dont like ck comment'

cuz truly i love what ck writes, and his draft coverage is the best on this site. He knows his stuff..

I'm just ranting cuz these Hey CK! threads pop up everyday...

ask the question in the thread, CK will come by and drop knowledge anyway.

Jealously? Maybe, i wouldn't be making threads PLEASE STOP STARTING THREADS W/ QUESTIONS ADDRESSED TO ME.
 
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