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Not really sure how you all feel about this, seeing how Ginn and Beck are not yet signed. But from all the agent and media chatter, it appears our guys will make it into camp on time (or very close to it).

So I thought I would check out how some other teams (namely the Browns) are doing with their top picks...

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007...s-brady-quinn-eric-wright-unlikely-to-report/

It seems that all three of their top picks won't be in camp anytime soon. All are holding out for big money (though the rookie cap is not going to help them much). Not that it makes much difference, because progress like this leads me to believe Brady Quinn won't be developed enough for awhile to start, or to make a difference for the Browns. But the stunted development of Joe Thomas and Eric Wright into their schemes may bode well for the Fins when we play them early in our season.

Would you agree or disagree?
 
I personally think ramcam has had a brilliant offseason,i can't think of one move they made that pissed me off,,,well, i still think daunte can play and will,,but ramcam are our boys and i won't pass judgement until i see jonny beck take the field,as far as ginn, it was brilliant, which i guess makes me brilliant haha. i had us taking ginn months before the draft.
 
quinn doesnt want "22" money, he wants franchise(1-5) player money. and thats what the hold up is going to be with his contract...the browns have mortgaged thier future in thier top two pics...and camram has done nothing but bring in talented players and managed to not do the same as cleveland is doing...there will always be a Ginn/Beck vs Quinn conversation for the rest of thier careers but if Beck has a decent career and Ginn has a good career i will take that over Quinn having a decent career ...porter was pricy but no biggy if he plays what we payed him
 
FinFilbert said:
Not really sure how you all feel about this, seeing how Ginn and Beck are not yet signed. But from all the agent and media chatter, it appears our guys will make it into camp on time (or very close to it).

So I thought I would check out how some other teams (namely the Browns) are doing with their top picks...

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007...s-brady-quinn-eric-wright-unlikely-to-report/

It seems that all three of their top picks won't be in camp anytime soon. All are holding out for big money (though the rookie cap is not going to help them much). Not that it makes much difference, because progress like this leads me to believe Brady Quinn won't be developed enough for awhile to start, or to make a difference for the Browns. But the stunted development of Joe Thomas and Eric Wright into their schemes may bode well for the Fins when we play them early in our season.

Would you agree or disagree?
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Unbelievable...the pads aren't even on yet and because we passed on Quinn, we are looking better than they are ?? Well, we do have one of our top 3 picks signed, so that's an advantage...

I just don't get this..who cares about Quinn, Thomas or any other Browns..now or in the future ?? All I care about is getting our guys the opportunity to show what they are made of....the rest is hogwash...
 
LarryFinFan said:
Unbelievable...the pads aren't even on yet and because we passed on Quinn, we are looking better than they are ?? Well, we do have one of our top 3 picks signed, so that's an advantage...

I just don't get this..who cares about Quinn, Thomas or any other Browns..now or in the future ?? All I care about is getting our guys the opportunity to show what they are made of....the rest is hogwash...
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If Beck and Ginn both live up to their billing, it won't matter how good or bad Quinn plays. Let's just take care of our guys and move from there. If they were a division opponent, it'd be different, but frankly I couldn't care less about the Cleveland Browns.
 
LarryFinFan said:
Unbelievable...the pads aren't even on yet and because we passed on Quinn, we are looking better than they are ?? Well, we do have one of our top 3 picks signed, so that's an advantage...

I just don't get this..who cares about Quinn, Thomas or any other Browns..now or in the future ?? All I care about is getting our guys the opportunity to show what they are made of....the rest is hogwash...
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Larry, never in the post did I mention that "because we passed on Quinn, we are looking better than they are," and though that's an opinion many have come to form, it's probably true. What this was about to me was the way Phil Savage of the Browns approached the draft and the way Randy Mueller approached the draft, and the inevitable differences and ramifications to their respective teams.

I don't necessarily care about Quinn either, as I also had Ted Ginn on the top of my mock Fins draft. But you cannot deny, that as both "entertainment" and as human interest stories, this draft will have certain fan constituents always comparing the two teams for awhile, regardless of the pads. And that's the curiosity that prompted my post. The interest was more about Randy and what I perceive to be his pragmatic, carefully measured approach vs. a "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" approach to risk management and team-building. No doubt, everyone needs a franchise left tackle and a franchise QB. And maybe the Browns got it on this draft. No one really knows. But to me, the Randy/Cam version of homework vs hype, on the surface, has already made a difference to this team and its ability to add high-quality players in the future.

I do have certain beliefs about Quinn and Tom Condon, and their demands for top 10 money. To me, that's more like a child throwing a tantrum because he didn't get what he wanted, but that's really another post.

Otherwise, we both believe in getting the pads on and turning them loose. Let the grid do the talking. I want nothing but the best for our team, and I was having a homerism spasm about Randy Mueller. Can you blame me?
 
FinFilbert said:
Larry, never in the post did I mention that "because we passed on Quinn, we are looking better than they are," and though that's an opinion many have come to form, it's probably true. What this was about to me was the way Phil Savage of the Browns approached the draft and the way Randy Mueller approached the draft, and the inevitable differences and ramifications to their respective teams.

I don't necessarily care about Quinn either, as I also had Ted Ginn on the top of my mock Fins draft. But you cannot deny, that as both "entertainment" and as human interest stories, this draft will have certain fan constituents always comparing the two teams for awhile, regardless of the pads. And that's the curiosity that prompted my post. The interest was more about Randy and what I perceive to be his pragmatic, carefully measured approach vs. a "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" approach to risk management and team-building. No doubt, everyone needs a franchise left tackle and a franchise QB. And maybe the Browns got it on this draft. No one really knows. But to me, the Randy/Cam version of homework vs hype, on the surface, has already made a difference to this team and its ability to add high-quality players in the future.

I do have certain beliefs about Quinn and Tom Condon, and their demands for top 10 money. To me, that's more like a child throwing a tantrum because he didn't get what he wanted, but that's really another post.

Otherwise, we both believe in getting the pads on and turning them loose. Let the grid do the talking. I want nothing but the best for our team, and I was having a homerism spasm about Randy Mueller. Can you blame me?
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So Phil Savage a pretty damn knowledge gm and part builder of the Raven defense did less of his homework than Mueller. If you were a Browns fan you would not be excited to get THomas and Quinn on day one? I personally think he had a great draft and filled needs by priority. They needed ol more than Qb so they passed on Quinn early. Teams were not looking at Quinn based on hype, the guy performed very well in college and many people thought he would be a very good fit for us. Mueller's draft may turn out great but I would have been more happy if we had addressed the oline more.
 
dlockz said:
So Phil Savage a pretty damn knowledge gm and part builder of the Raven defense did less of his homework than Mueller. If you were a Browns fan you would not be excited to get THomas and Quinn on day one? I personally think he had a great draft and filled needs by priority. They needed ol more than Qb so they passed on Quinn early. Teams were not looking at Quinn based on hype, the guy performed very well in college and many people thought he would be a very good fit for us. Mueller's draft may turn out great but I would have been more happy if we had addressed the oline more.
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I'll say this - we didn't trade next years first for a possible holdout this year. Homework or no, at least we didnt' mortgage first day picks for a change.
 
emocomputerjock said:
I'll say this - we didn't trade next years first for a possible holdout this year. Homework or no, at least we didnt' mortgage first day picks for a change.
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To get a guy that in most drafts would have went top 10 and the same guy that was being considered for the first overall pick, I think it was a smart move. Quinn is a very good prospect, and he definately would not hurt attendence. Would you have been mad last year if we had traded a future second rounder for Marcus McNEIL. Everytime you draft you have a possible holdout and last time I checked we had two holdouts in a row and neither of our top 2 picks have signed a contract.
 
dlockz said:
To get a guy that in most drafts would have went top 10 and the same guy that was being considered for the first overall pick, I think it was a smart move. Quinn is a very good prospect, and he definately would not hurt attendence. Would you have been mad last year if we had traded a future second rounder for Marcus McNEIL. Everytime you draft you have a possible holdout and last time I checked we had two holdouts in a row and neither of our top 2 picks have signed a contract.
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Marcus McNeil no. I wouldn't complain about linemen. Quinn was a good prospect, but there were plenty of teams besides us who felt that some other player was better. Quinn sunk for a reason. Yes, I know we had him rated slighty higher than Beck, but think about that - we had him rated slightly higher than the crop of QBs available in the second round. That we would have taken Quinn over anyone else in the second is true, but that we weren't willing to spend any additional picks on aquiring him before that is telling as well.
 
emocomputerjock said:
Marcus McNeil no. I wouldn't complain about linemen. Quinn was a good prospect, but there were plenty of teams besides us who felt that some other player was better. Quinn sunk for a reason. Yes, I know we had him rated slighty higher than Beck, but think about that - we had him rated slightly higher than the crop of QBs available in the second round. That we would have taken Quinn over anyone else in the second is true, but that we weren't willing to spend any additional picks on aquiring him before that is telling as well.
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Most teams passed on Quinn because thier lack of need for a starting QB. Qb's fall in the draft for many reasons. Leinhart fell to 10 last year and was a better prospect than the number one pick this year. Phillip Rivers went much higher due to certain teams likeing him that had higher picks tha Drew Brees did but it all depends on how the draft falls. If Tennessee had not drafted Vince Young who knows how far he might have fell.
 
Really guys, the reason for the post was not to bash Phil Savage, or any other team. It was to portray an example that we are heading in the right direction without having to mortgage the future.

I personally don't know much about Phil Savage, or many other GM's other than Speilman. I do know that we have suffered a loooooonnnggg time because of mortgaging the future for what we hoped would be "the one."

I believe, by Mueller's penchant for drafting multiple good QB's in succession, or usually within just a year or so of one another, demonstrates that Mueller also understands that no matter how much homework you do to put yourself in the best position, you can never second guess life circumstances and where they may land you, so you must hope (and practice) for the best, and prepare for the worst.

I believe that he was able to get some high quality players this year (in many, but not all areas of need), putting us in the position to draft more BPA's in future years. But it takes several drafts to get to that point and it takes momentum in developing those draft picks. Generally, three years I think, is the rule of thumb for "draft and develop," to start maximizing that potential. Hopefully, we can short-circuit that cycle a little, but who's to blame for wishing. :)

By the way, is anyone familiar with NFL compensation to know whether or not there are "caps" for coaching and GM salaries and bonuses? If Cam and Randy turn out to be really good and produce continuously improving results, we don't have to worry about some other teams poaching our coaching talent do we? Other than Randy asking WH for a raise for his coaches in order to keep the continuity going...just a thought.
 
FinFilbert said:
Really guys, the reason for the post was not to bash Phil Savage, or any other team. It was to portray an example that we are heading in the right direction without having to mortgage the future.

I personally don't know much about Phil Savage, or many other GM's other than Speilman. I do know that we have suffered a loooooonnnggg time because of mortgaging the future for what we hoped would be "the one."

I believe, by Mueller's penchant for drafting multiple good QB's in succession, or recently within just a year or so of one another, demonstrates that Mueller also understands that no matter how much homework you do to put yourself in the best position, you can never second guess life circumstances and where they may land you, so you must hope (and practice) for the best, and prepare for the worst.

I believe that he was able to get some high quality players this year, putting us in the position to draft more BPA's in future years. But it takes several drafts to get to that point and it takes momentum in developing those draft picks. Generally, three years I think, is the rule of thumb for "draft and develop," to start maximizing that potential. Hopefully, we can short-circuit that cycle a little, but who's to blame for wishing. :)

By the way, is anyone familiar with NFL compensation to know whether or not there are "caps" for coaching and GM salaries and bonuses? If Cam and Randy turn out to be really good and produce continuously improving results, we don't have to worry about some other teams poaching our coaching talent do we? Other than Randy asking WH for a raise for his coaches in order to keep the continuity going...just a thought.
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Its all about what the owners want to spend. Huzienga seems to pay his coaches and GM very well.
 
dlockz said:
Its all about what the owners want to spend. Huzienga seems to pay his coaches and GM very well.
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I agree Dlockz.

At that level, I wonder how much of the decision-making is short term ROI, and how much is about winning games over the long haul? Obviously over the years, the more we win games, and the more time we spend in playoffs, the more revenue growth the team experiences over the long term, and the greater the net worth of the organization.
 
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