Randy Mueller's opinions of AJ

[jlfin]

Did the Pats draft Brady to be an eventual starter?

 

[inFINSible]

Did the Pats draft Brady to be an eventual starter?

Of course.
:)

 

[PhinBeck]

Yep, they sure do. Like when we drafted Scott Mitchell. It sure as hell wasn't to take Marino's starting position.

And you are sure Mitchell was to be a backup only? Know this for fact? Marino was in the league a decade at the time and had bad legs, you think teh Dolphins automatically knew dan would play til 99? Knew it to the point they didnt feel the need to get a developmental guy? You know the thing many people feel like we never did? We had plenty of options at backup at that point. Hate Feeley all you want, the truth is teh truth, and the truth is that teams dont draft a guy they dont think will be able to eventually play, they know they may not, but they believe that there is potential.

 

[SCall13]

...and would Scott Mitchell have been expected to be a quality starter if Marino had gotten hurt? Scott Mitchell wasn't drafted thinking he'd never be anything more than a back-up in this league. It was always assumed that Scott Mitchell had the talent to develop into a starting QB, we were just lucky to have a situation where, in a sense, we didn't need him to do that.
Of course as it turns out we did, literally need him to do just that, and he promptly turned that audition into starting position, albeit in Detroit.

Yeah a starting position that was short lived and ugly. Mitchell played a few decent games for us then stunk it up for Detroit. MITCHELL WAS NOT DRAFTED TO EVER BE A STARTER.HE WAS DRAFTED, BASED ON HIS SKILLS TO BE A BACK UP. It just so happened he lucked out and got an opportunity and stunk it up for all but one year.

 

[PhinBeck]

I have seen it happen. Heck it happened last year when the Patriots picked a back up quarterback.

yes they probably have hopes and dreams that somehow this guy is going to turn out to be amazing and be able to trade him, however he was drafted with being a back up in mind.

Teams draft every player with hope that he will turn into a starter. It doesn't mean they are not realistic and draft players for depth purposes.

It is outrageous that anyone believes that a team would draft a player in the hopes he never has to hit the field. Doesnt make a dam bit of sense. Teams draft guys to be a backup early and hopefully develop into a future starter.

 

[inFINSible]

Yeah a starting position that was short lived and ugly. Mitchell played a few decent games for us then stunk it up for Detroit. MITCHELL WAS NOT DRAFTED TO EVER BE A STARTER. I WAS DRAFTED, BASED ON HIS SKILLS TO BE A BACK UP. It just so happened he lucked out and got an opportunity and stunk it up for all but one year.

yeah, okay, I see this is getting through...have a nice night. :www:

 

[SCall13]

And you are sure Mitchell was to be a backup only? Know this for fact? Marino was in the league a decade at the time and had bad legs, you think teh Dolphins automatically knew dan would play til 99? Knew it to the point they didnt feel the need to get a developmental guy? You know the thing many people feel like we never did? We had plenty of options at backup at that point. Hate Feeley all you want, the truth is teh truth, and the truth is that teams dont draft a guy they dont think will be able to eventually play, they know they may not, but they believe that there is potential.

WHy did you bring Feeley into this? The argument that I am in the midst of is "Do teams draft QBs to be backups?" And I say yes, ALL the time. Feeley was an example of a QB who was drafted to play back up. There was almost no way anyone would have ever thought he;d be a starter ANYWHERE. The Eagles sure as hell didn't think so. THat's why they are still laughing at us for giving them basically a low 1st rounder for him.
AS for potential - sure they look for potential but they also look at how much potential and then determine that the guy will more than likely never be anything more than a backup. SAme as Running Back - teams draft running backs for depth. Travis Minor wasn't drafted with any intentions of him ever being "the guy"

 

[SCall13]

yeah, okay, I see this is getting through...have a nice night. :www:

Your sarcasm just proves that you have no argument. IT's ridiculous to believe that a team doesn't draft QBs for depth in the later rounds. Just like they draft for depth at other positions. To suggest that every QB drafted is intended to one day be a starter is ludicrous. Look at how many QBs are drafted. Look how many are camp fodder. Look how many flop. The scouts know what they are getting, the coaches know. They don't give a QB a 4th or 5th round grade and think: "this QB could potentially be Brett FAvre or Marino or Manning. NOOOOOOOOPE...they say this guy has enough tools to give us an insurance policy in case "John Doe" goes down.

 

[Wildbill3]

Yeah a starting position that was short lived and ugly. Mitchell played a few decent games for us then stunk it up for Detroit. MITCHELL WAS NOT DRAFTED TO EVER BE A STARTER.HE WAS DRAFTED, BASED ON HIS SKILLS TO BE A BACK UP. It just so happened he lucked out and got an opportunity and stunk it up for all but one year.

You're wrong. Mitchell led the lions in one of the most prolific offenses ever. do some research before you come up with a bone-headed arguement to support your opinions.

http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?cont_id=108767 = 1995 Season review.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/det1995.htm = 1995 season stats.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/MitcSc00.htm = mitchell's career stats. looks like he played good for more than one season to me.

You are owned.

 

[SCall13]

And you are sure Mitchell was to be a backup only? Know this for fact? Marino was in the league a decade at the time and had bad legs, you think teh Dolphins automatically knew dan would play til 99? Knew it to the point they didnt feel the need to get a developmental guy? You know the thing many people feel like we never did? We had plenty of options at backup at that point. Hate Feeley all you want, the truth is teh truth, and the truth is that teams dont draft a guy they dont think will be able to eventually play, they know they may not, but they believe that there is potential.

Yeah, I know that for a fact. It wasn't Feeley we had as our starter back then...it was Marino. Scott Mitchell was THE backup until either Marino retired, we traded him, or he became a free agent. Well he became a free agent and played one solid year. He over achieved for a season then came back down to earth played like he was really capable of playing: as a backup.

 

[SCall13]

You're wrong. Mitchell led the lions in one of the most prolific offenses ever. do some research before you come up with a bone-headed arguement to support your opinions.

http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?cont_id=108767 = 1995 Season review.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/det1995.htm = 1995 season stats.

You are owned.

I said he had one good season. He was NOT consistently good. The point of this is that QBs are drafted TO BE BACKUPS. Mitchell was drafted to play back up and lukced out and got a shot. He pplayed well for a season, then dropped back to his back up ways.

 

[inFINSible]

Your sarcasm just proves that you have no argument. IT's ridiculous to believe that a team doesn't draft QBs for depth in the later rounds. Just like they draft for depth at other positions. To suggest that every QB drafted is intended to one day be a starter is ludicrous. Look at how many QBs are drafted. Look how many are camp fodder. Look how many flop. The scouts know what they are getting, the coaches know. They don't give a QB a 4th or 5th round grade and think: "this QB could potentially be Brett FAvre or Marino or Manning. NOOOOOOOOPE...they say this guy has enough tools to give us an insurance policy in case "John Doe" goes down.

What does that QB become when "John Doe" goes down?? A starter. So, that QB was drafted so that one day, if he had to be one, he might have the talent to be a starter.

 

[late again]

I don't think the RB argument is the same as the QB argument. A RB might be drafted as a return specialist. As for Scott Mitchell; when he stepped in for Marino, he did fine. No one could know he wouldn't light it up in Detroit. Any more than anyone knew that Ryan Leaf would be such a bust.

 

[SCall13]

I don't think you understand the concept of drafting a QB. Even a seventh round QB is drafted in the hopes that any or all of his apparent flaws can be corrected and he can be developed into a quality starter. Ken Dorsey wasn't drafted so he can hang around the league and be mediocre, he was drafted because there was an outside chance that he could be one of those 1 in 100 7th rounders that turns into a starter. Everyone of those QBs you mentioned were drafted because they were good to great college QBs and they had a chance to be starting QBs in the NFL. The percentages of those chances can be debated until the cows come home, but, none of them were 0%.

AJ Feeley is right now being considered as a starting QB....and by Nick Saban no less. :)

We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I just feel that teams draft QBs - like other positions - to add depth to their team-to add security. If he becomes good, then that is a bonus. But the intention is for him to be solid back up.

 

[inFINSible]

We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I just feel that teams draft QBs - like other positions - to add depth to their team-to add security. If he becomes good, then that is a bonus. But the intention is for him to be solid back up.

We definately disagree, and I'll be happy to rest my case.