Reason Why Some Fans Are So Hard On Coaching!!

[DolfanISS]

I know the Saban bashing is really aggravating some posters so I will try to explain why I feel it's happening. First off I don't think it has anything to do with the high expectations coming into this season or the mess he was left from the prior regime, so some posters can save their breath by not going on and on about those 2 topics. I feel our coaching staff has an inability to adjust their schemes based on the talent we have. I feel we are jamming a philosophy down the throats of players who can't execute it on offense and defense.

Examples, in 1999 we had Damon Huard playing QB and JJ Johnson as the RB and we went on a nice run. We did this because we played good defense, forced a servicable, but nothing special running game, and didn't make a lot of mistakes. I think that philosophy would put any football team in a position to have a shot to win any game regardless of talent. Just my opinion.

For this year. We have an inexperienced secondary, that is getting scorched in the clutch, arguably the best DE in the NFL playing OLB and the most consistent tackling MLB in the NFL blitzing on every big 3rd down. Why not play a 4-3 with Traylor and Wilkison in the middle (over 700 LBS. of beef) keeping blockers off of that MLB, playing that DE at DE instead of OLB and protecting that weak secondary by not sending the farm on every big 3rd down?? Why is our coaching staff so stubborn??? It's like they only know one thing and can't change?? That's a problem IMHO. What made Shula such a great coach? Imagine if Shula only stuck to one philosophy, what would have happened to Marino???

When the staff is bashed the excuses pour in but I'm not sure the excuse makers see why the complaints are coming in. It has nothing to do with the personnel or the mess that was made. It has everthing to do with making things work with the personnel you have and not throwing the ball 62 times with Joey Harrington as your QB. You can say a mess was left behind by Wanny and Speilman and you wouldn't be wrong but the staff has to realize it is what it is and adjust accordingly. That's what makes a great Don Shula like coaching staff.

 

[djphinfan]

I know the Saban bashing is really aggravating some posters so I will try to explain why I feel it's happening. First off I don't think it has anything to do with the high expectations coming into this season or the mess he was left from the prior regime, so some posters can save their breath by not going on and on about those 2 topics. I feel our coaching staff has an inability to adjust their schemes based on the talent we have. I feel we are jamming a philosophy down the throats of players who can't execute it on offense and defense.

Examples, in 1999 we had Damon Huard playing QB and JJ Johnson as the RB and we went on a nice run. We did this because we played good defense, forced a servicable, but nothing special running game, and didn't make a lot of mistakes. I think that philosophy would put any football team in a position to have a shot to win any game regardless of talent. Just my opinion.

For this year. We have an inexperienced secondary, that is getting scorched in the clutch, arguably the best DE in the NFL playing OLB and the most consistent tackling MLB in the NFL blitzing on every big 3rd down. Why not play a 4-3 with Traylor and Wilkison in the middle (over 700 LBS. of beef) keeping blockers off of that MLB, playing that DE at DE instead of OLB and protecting that weak secondary by not sending the farm on every big 3rd down?? Why is our coaching staff so stubborn??? It's like they only know one thing and can't change?? That's a problem IMHO. What made Shula such a great coach? Imagine if Shula only stuck to one philosophy, what would have happened to Marino???

When the staff is bashed the excuses pour in but I'm not sure the excuse makers see why the complaints are coming in. It has nothing to do with the personnel or the mess that was made. It has everthing to do with making things work with the personnel you have and not throwing the ball 62 times with Joey Harrington as your QB. You can say a mess was left behind by Wanny and Speilman and you wouldn't be wrong but the staff has to realize it is what it is and adjust accordingly. That's what makes a great Don Shula like coaching staff.

your analyisis in my opinion is true and i'am a saban supporter,i don't get this defensive philosophy,at all,,,how bout a nice rotation at d tackle of traylor ,big daddy and our stud rook evans,sounds freakin perfect to me.

 

[Aquanator B1000]

I agree. We need to change these schemes to fit our players, or get players to fit our schemes.

But until we get the right players (I love saban's schemes) then we need to adjust to our players strengths.

IE: not blitzing ZT. Putting JT at DE not OLB, etc.

 

[DolfanISS]

I agree. We need to change these schemes to fit our players, or get players to fit our schemes.

But until we get the right players (I love saban's schemes) then we need to adjust to our players strengths.

IE: not blitzing ZT. Putting JT at DE not OLB, etc.

Right, has anyone ever seen Zach not easily get picked up on a blitz????? It's like the staff is waiting fro him to magically get there.

 

[motormeat0170]

I agree. We need to change these schemes to fit our players, or get players to fit our schemes.

But until we get the right players (I love saban's schemes) then we need to adjust to our players strengths.

IE: not blitzing ZT. Putting JT at DE not OLB, etc.

I like alot of Saban's schemes as well..... That being said, in order to blitz as much as we do, you need to have more solid cover personnel than we currently do.....

 

[Kadiddlehopper]

Couldn't agree with ya more. My fear is with free agency, he will never get 53 guys that buy into his "plan" and every year we'll spend half the season trying to get the players learning said "plan".

 

[slyfox13]

I know the Saban bashing is really aggravating some posters so I will try to explain why I feel it's happening. First off I don't think it has anything to do with the high expectations coming into this season or the mess he was left from the prior regime, so some posters can save their breath by not going on and on about those 2 topics. I feel our coaching staff has an inability to adjust their schemes based on the talent we have. I feel we are jamming a philosophy down the throats of players who can't execute it on offense and defense.

Examples, in 1999 we had Damon Huard playing QB and JJ Johnson as the RB and we went on a nice run. We did this because we played good defense, forced a servicable, but nothing special running game, and didn't make a lot of mistakes. I think that philosophy would put any football team in a position to have a shot to win any game regardless of talent. Just my opinion.

For this year. We have an inexperienced secondary, that is getting scorched in the clutch, arguably the best DE in the NFL playing OLB and the most consistent tackling MLB in the NFL blitzing on every big 3rd down. Why not play a 4-3 with Traylor and Wilkison in the middle (over 700 LBS. of beef) keeping blockers off of that MLB, playing that DE at DE instead of OLB and protecting that weak secondary by not sending the farm on every big 3rd down?? Why is our coaching staff so stubborn??? It's like they only know one thing and can't change?? That's a problem IMHO. What made Shula such a great coach? Imagine if Shula only stuck to one philosophy, what would have happened to Marino???

When the staff is bashed the excuses pour in but I'm not sure the excuse makers see why the complaints are coming in. It has nothing to do with the personnel or the mess that was made. It has everthing to do with making things work with the personnel you have and not throwing the ball 62 times with Joey Harrington as your QB. You can say a mess was left behind by Wanny and Speilman and you wouldn't be wrong but the staff has to realize it is what it is and adjust accordingly. That's what makes a great Don Shula like coaching staff.

wrong we are the #4 defense so that aint it the o-line sux,too many mistakes by too many players on offense, and lousy play calling are the issues.Fire Mularkey and start running the ball.passing is stupid with joey in there.Run on first, and second, and dare there defense to stop it. if you have to pass,do it with quick slants on 3rd down.passes over the middle of the field.dont call passes designed to be thrown down the side line unless its 30 yds or deeper cause joey is gonna get picked if you call it.joey is mechanical qb who follows his progressions and throws where hes supposed to throw if the reciever breaks off on his route or runs the wrong route joey will still throw it there. hes done it for yrs in detroit frustrating everybody. joey wins when the running game is there.use that premis and we will win or throw it 62 times a game and lose.Keep mularkey and we lose thats the bottom line......:baghead:

 

[SarahAnn]

I dont think theres any real hidden secret or complex reasoning behind why our fans are hard on the coaches. Simple fact is 1-6.

 

[DolfanISS]

wrong we are the #4 defense so that aint it the o-line sux,too many mistakes by too many players on offense, and lousy play calling are the issues.Fire Mularkey and start running the ball.passing is stupid with joey in there.Run on first, and second, and dare there defense to stop it. if you have to pass,do it with quick slants on 3rd down.passes over the middle of the field.dont call passes designed to be thrown down the side line unless its 30 yds or deeper cause joey is gonna get picked if you call it.joey is mechanical qb who follows his progressions and throws where hes supposed to throw if the reciever breaks off on his route or runs the wrong route joey will still throw it there. hes done it for yrs in detroit frustrating everybody. joey wins when the running game is there.use that premis and we will win or throw it 62 times a game and lose.Keep mularkey and we lose thats the bottom line......:baghead:

Number 4 defense....How do we rank in 3rd down percentage, how about passing TD's allowed???

 

[zonk4ever]

Yes our defense is average and we usually have 2 bad drives against us per game, but other than the bears, what defense doesn't have 2 bad drives a game? The problem is our passing offense is incredibly bad! When Daunte was in he was so bad with the sacks, all our drives were killed and we had to abandon the running game and... keep passing, Now that Joey's in, the picks and drops are killing us and we are forced to abandon the running game and... keep passing. Now I'm not a a Ronnie Brown basher with the #2 in the draft crap, but realistically Ronnie has had 2 subpar games: patriots (field conditions, and steelers - manhandled), the other 5 games we stopped running him because of the passing game. Right now, watching Joey throw the ball 50 times a game is like watching Antoine Walker shoot 20 3's a gane for the Heat.

 

[EAZY 0]

i agree that saban has been trying to force his philosophy on the players. however, you can look at it one of two ways:

1. this way he finds out who fits in his system, and who his type of players are. eventually, he will have enough players that fit in his system and we will win.

2. he should alter his system to his personnel, regardless if it is the best system.

personally, id go with #1. i think at this point, saban is willing to sacrifice wins in order to evaluate who will be successful for him in the future.

 

[muscle979]

Drafting a QB is the answer, I'm the crazy guy here who thinks that we won't ever have true success again until we do that.

 

[RoninFin4]

Drafting a QB is the answer, I'm the crazy guy here who thinks that we won't ever have true success again until we do that.

Call me crazy as well then. I'm with you on that, even if Daunte were to pan out, he's already 30 next year - how many good years is he gonna have left on a rebuilt right knee, let alone regain the 2004 form?

 

[Marino420TD]

Examples, in 1999 we had Damon Huard playing QB and JJ Johnson as the RB and we went on a nice run. We did this because we played good defense, forced a servicable, but nothing special running game, and didn't make a lot of mistakes. I think that philosophy would put any football team in a position to have a shot to win any game regardless of talent. Just my opinion.

To be fair, that was the easiest stretch in the schedule. We played a bunch of bad teams, didn't miss a FG the whole time, and won close games.

However, there is merit to what you are saying. Two years in a row, it has taken to mid season to find a working OL.

 

[Ekinger]

Scheme or no scheme, you have an entire offseason and preseason to get guys to buy in or at least learn it. Saban couldn't and didn't do it. He was a d-back. That's his area of expertise, why the heck do you think we drafted a safety? I loved him last year. He was a winner and brought the winning philosophy with him. The secondary this year is awful and that's his bread and butter. He should be able to take slightly above average guys (which most of our guys are) and make them great. That's what a great coach does.

Our offense is awful and unless Saban had no say in who replaced Linehan, he's culpable there too.

The defense doesn't get burned on 3rd downs until the end of the 2nd quarter and the 2nd half. They are old and exhausted by then. You can't keep young d on the field as much as we do and expect them not to give up some huge plays in critical situations later in games.

You go 4-3 or 3-4 it isn't going to matter much. They simply need to have more energy later in games and the only way to accomplish that with old guys is to give them some rest. Translates into a semi productive offense. I love the hurry up, we didn't run it much. Unfortunately, I don't know that it will work, still doesn't give the D much time to rest. However, we run the hurry for a while, get everyone clicking then can revert back and forth to sustain drives and take some time off the clock.

Let's also not forget, the D shuts down the opposing O and then 2ndary falls apart, keeps the old D-line and MLB on the field.

This isn't a talent problem, it's a piss poor coaching problem. Saban believed as much as any of us did that his team was going to be the cream of the division. Instead of believing that we might suck and he better prepare them like they wouldn't. What kind of coach let's a nicely working offense be replaced by the inane crap that's occurred so far this season? Why would you change it? Bring Mularkey in and have him run Linehans offense with some wrinkles. Bring someone else in that thinks more along the lines of a Linehan.

The O-line isn't worse than last year, imhop it's a little better.

But you can't get anywhere if they can stack the box and man up on the receivers knowing that there is littel or no risk of any big play occurring.