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Red Sox file suit to keep World Series ball

Mientkiewicz, who clutched the ball in his glove and joined teammates in celebration, later put the ball in a safe deposit box and claimed ownership when the Red Sox asked for it.

In January, days after he was traded to the New York Mets, he agreed to lend the ball to the Red Sox for one year. He would get it back "unless the ultimate issue of ownership has been otherwise resolved," the agreement said.

That clause, The Boston Globe reported, led team lawyers to Suffolk Superior Court on Wednesday. The suit asks the court to place the ball in a "secure location" until ownership is decided.

When he agreed to lend the ball to the team, Mientkiewicz said: "I want the fans to see it, and that's what both the Red Sox and I agreed on."

At that time, he said it was "very cordial, and we worked something out." He also said he "probably" would get the ball back after a year.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-redsox-worldseriesball&prov=ap&type=lgns
 
Good.. who the **** does Mientkiewicz think he is? He was in Boston for 2 damn months. Give it back to the organization where it belongs..
 
FaninPatsyLand said:
Good.. who the **** does Mientkiewicz think he is? He was in Boston for 2 damn months. Give it back to the organization where it belongs..
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football players keep footballs. how is this diffrent. teams dont file suit to get HR balls back.

right place, right time.

if the team wants it that bad, simply buy it back. with the millions they pay the players and millions teams make, i think they have the funds to do that.
 
ch19079 said:
football players keep footballs. how is this diffrent. teams dont file suit to get HR balls back.

right place, right time.

if the team wants it that bad, simply buy it back. with the millions they pay the players and millions teams make, i think they have the funds to do that.
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How can you compare this to any random football? This baseball has historical significance to the Red Sox organization. What significance does it have to Mientkiewicz? He was here two months, and he wasn't even a regular in lineup. He was strictly a devensive replacement in the latter innings.

He got his signifcant item this past year, the World Series ring. Give the ball back.
 
FaninPatsyLand said:
How can you compare this to any random football? This baseball has historical significance to the Red Sox organization. What significance does it have to Mientkiewicz? He was here two months, and he wasn't even a regular in lineup. He was strictly a devensive replacement in the latter innings.

He got his signifcant item this past year, the World Series ring. Give the ball back.
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when GB won the SB (after taking the last knee) farve gave the ball to WR D. Beebe. GB didnt sue Beebe or farve to get the football back.

would it make a diffrence if Mientkiewicz (jesus thats a long name) was a full time starter? i dont think so. he ended up with the ball. what if he gave it to some kid in the stands, would the socks sue the kid to get it back?

then they wait untill an agreement was made for the team to have possession of the ball, on loan, to display for the fans... and then they throw it in a safety deposit box, and say, "talk to our lawyers". talk about some BS. that alone shows the team has no class at all.

its like a bully at school saying, "i just want to hold it, ill give it right back", only to have him run away once he gets it.
 
ch19079 said:
when GB won the SB (after taking the last knee) farve gave the ball to WR D. Beebe. GB didnt sue Beebe or farve to get the football back.

would it make a diffrence if Mientkiewicz (jesus thats a long name) was a full time starter? i dont think so. he ended up with the ball. what if he gave it to some kid in the stands, would the socks sue the kid to get it back?

then they wait untill an agreement was made for the team to have possession of the ball, on loan, to display for the fans... and then they throw it in a safety deposit box, and say, "talk to our lawyers". talk about some BS. that alone shows the team has no class at all.

its like a bully at school saying, "i just want to hold it, ill give it right back", only to have him run away once he gets it.
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Yeah but Beebe deserved the ball after spending his career with the Perennial losers in Barfalo.....:lol:
 
Man he needs to let them have that ball. That's Bostons ball, not Doug's. What is this fool thinking?
 
This guy is a selfish fool. This is part of Boston's history, he needs to give it back. Hes basically holding it for ransom, I guarantee you if Boston offered him a million dollars he would give it back. This isnt an individual achievement. Its been a time-honored tradition to let a player keep a 300 win ball, 3000k ball, 3000hit ball, etc, but this is Bostons first title in what 100 years and a guy that came onto the team late in the season and played alright keeps the ball? Konerko gave the WhiteSox's gamewinning ball to Reinsdorf, a classy gesture, one that Dougie could learn alot from.
 
It seems to me this turns on the extent of the contractual relationship between the player and the team. I could see the argument that he is their agent and that he doesn't deserve the ball any more than the bank teller who accepts that $12,000 check on behalf of the bank deserves that money. I can also see the opposing point. Instead of dragging everybody through this, I'd personally like to see the parties agree to donate the ball to somewhere like the HoF.
 
1) I can't believe we are tying up the courts time with this nonsense.

2) Players are allowed to keep the ball at the end of the game if they want it for any reason.Just because its the red sox or a world series doesn't change that. If Doug wants the ball who gives a crap. It's a friggin ball!
 
MikeO said:
1) I can't believe we are tying up the courts time with this nonsense.
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Eh.

Courts impose costs, and I'm sure there are far dumber disputes pending on that court's docket. At the same time, I feel much the same way you do about pretty much any and all civil suits.

2) Players are allowed to keep the ball at the end of the game if they want it for any reason.Just because its the red sox or a world series doesn't change that. If Doug wants the ball who gives a crap. It's a friggin ball!
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I think you just got to the issue here. Are players *allowed* to keep the ball? If so, that suggests the authority that allows it could decide not to allow it at will. For instance, imagine that you work at 7-11 and your manager allows you to drink two free Slurpees a day. One day, he informs you that the Slurpee machine is low so he doesn't want you to drink your Slurpees. That's within his rights. What I wonder here is who allows this. I'd guess it is the home team, which would suggest that St. Louis would really be the team with the say in this matter.
 
Jimmy James said:
Eh.

Courts impose costs, and I'm sure there are far dumber disputes pending on that court's docket. At the same time, I feel much the same way you do about pretty much any and all civil suits.



I think you just got to the issue here. Are players *allowed* to keep the ball? If so, that suggests the authority that allows it could decide not to allow it at will. For instance, imagine that you work at 7-11 and your manager allows you to drink two free Slurpees a day. One day, he informs you that the Slurpee machine is low so he doesn't want you to drink your Slurpees. That's within his rights. What I wonder here is who allows this. I'd guess it is the home team, which would suggest that St. Louis would really be the team with the say in this matter.
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When a foul ball is hit into the stands do you see people go up there and wrestle the fan who got it trying to get it back? NO! It's a stupid suit and a judge should throw it out of court and fine everyone involved for wasting the courts time.
 
MikeO said:
When a foul ball is hit into the stands do you see people go up there and wrestle the fan who got it trying to get it back? NO!
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While what you say is true (I think foul balls caught by fans are deemed abandoned), the situation we're speaking of in this case is distinguishable from the foul ball situation. An employee of the Red Sox was in possession of the ball, not a fan.

It's a stupid suit and a judge should throw it out of court and fine everyone involved for wasting the courts time.
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This isn't the way our justice system works. It is in society's interest to provide for a forum for grievances, even if they do seem really petty. If we didn't provide such a forum, parties would take the law into their own hands. As dumb as it is to waste time on some things, it would be even dumber for somebody to wind up dead because of them, for the government to have to prosecute the murderer, and for the people to have to pay for the murderer's incarceration. As I said before, courts do impose their costs on the parties.
 
MikeO said:
1)If Doug wants the ball who gives a crap. It's a friggin ball!
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I agree who does care? As a Sox fan I could care less if they have the baseball but I could understand why some fans would want it in with the Red Sox.

The way I look at it is the Red Sox won the World Series; having the ball doesn't make it sweeter and not having the ball doesn't make it any better.
 
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