Red sox trade Bronsan arryoyo to reds for wily mo pena noooo.

[Perfect23]

Man Im a reds fan and I dont like this trade at all Wily Mo pena was a future all-star outfielder red sox fans your lucky we have to deal with arryoyo lucky red sox fans.

 

[RWhitney014]

Wily Mo hits bombs against lefties and nothing else. He is overrated. Cincinnati needed a competent starter badly and got an affordable, signed-for-three-years one for a spare part. And now there's a spot for Chris Denorfia, too. Good trade for Cincinnati.

Red Sox will enjoy a Nixon-Pena platoon, though. Good addition for them, but better deal for the Reds.

 

[Perfect23]

Wily Mo hits bombs against lefties and nothing else. He is overrated. Cincinnati needed a competent starter badly and got an affordable, signed-for-three-years one for a spare part. And now there's a spot for Chris Denorfia, too. Good trade for Cincinnati.

Red Sox will enjoy a Nixon-Pena platoon, though. Good addition for them, but better deal for the Reds.

Nope no space for Denorfia because they are moving Adam Dunn to left and putting Scott Hatteberg at first so ne space for Denorfia.

 

[RWhitney014]

Nope no space for Denorfia because they are moving Adam Dunn to left and putting Scott Hatteberg at first so ne space for Denorfia.

How much do you wanna bet that by the end of the season, unless Hatteberg has the season of his life, Dunn will be at first and Denorfia in left?

Dunn, Lopez, Encarnacion, and Denorfia are the offensive core for the Reds in the future, with Dunn the only possibility to be gone. They need to be less gunshy in dealing Kearns while he's en vogue for starting pitching, because any Reds fan knows the cupboard is bare in that department. Cincinnati can get away with less-than-spectacular offensive talent because of their home park and some of the other hitter-friendly parks the majority of the road games are played in (Minute Maid, Wrigley, and Miller are pretty good for offense).

 

[Perfect23]

How much do you wanna bet that by the end of the season, unless Hatteberg has the season of his life, Dunn will be at first and Denorfia in left?

Dunn, Lopez, Encarnacion, and Denorfia are the offensive core for the Reds in the future, with Dunn the only possibility to be gone. They need to be less gunshy in dealing Kearns while he's en vogue for starting pitching, because any Reds fan knows the cupboard is bare in that department. Cincinnati can get away with less-than-spectacular offensive talent because of their home park and some of the other hitter-friendly parks the majority of the road games are played in (Minute Maid, Wrigley, and Miller are pretty good for offense).

I think you might be right.

 

[Ray Finkle]

Wily Mo hits bombs against lefties and nothing else. He is overrated. Cincinnati needed a competent starter badly and got an affordable, signed-for-three-years one for a spare part. And now there's a spot for Chris Denorfia, too. Good trade for Cincinnati.

Red Sox will enjoy a Nixon-Pena platoon, though. Good addition for them, but better deal for the Reds.

I think the deal is pretty even now, but in the long run it helps out the Sox more. Wily Mo is only 24 years old and like you said he crushes left handed pitchers. This year he'll platoon with Nixon and also fill in for Manny and Coco if needed then he'll probably be the starting RFer in 2007 for the Sox depending on how well he does in Fenway. With a little leadership from guys like Ortiz (one of his friends) and Varitek and learning how to hit and take pitches from hitting coach Papa Jackson, the kid could turn into something special. He hit 51 HRs in less than 850 at bats in the big leagues so the kid has power. He has a lot of potential and with the right team, guys, atomsphere he can possibly shine (see Ortiz, David who actually had similiar numbers when he was 26 as does Pena, and no I'm not saying Pena will be the next Ortiz, far from it however the potential is there).

As for Arroyo, look I love the guy and I'm sad #61 won't be in Boston next year. He was a great guy with a rubber arm and never once complained about being a starter or reliever or whatever. But the truth is what you see with Arroyo is probably all you're going to get with him. He's an above average 4 or 5 start but that's it. He would dominate a team the 1st time he faced then but after the 2nd or 3rd time around the teams would knock him around. His numbers have also declined a lot since 2003 when he came up, mainly in his K rate and lack of sucess vs. lefty hitters. Some teams like the Blue Jays would start 7 to 8 lefty hitters against him. He'll probably be the Reds #2 start behind Harrang (being in the NL he'll probably win 12 to 14 games with a 4.00 ERA) and I wish him the best there but I think he reached his ceiling.

The Sox bench is probably their weakest link and now they upgraded. I like the move as it makes the Sox better today and for the future.

 

[Ray Finkle]

Man Im a reds fan and I dont like this trade at all Wily Mo pena was a future all-star outfielder red sox fans your lucky we have to deal with arryoyo lucky red sox fans.

Hey don't be down on getting Arroyo. He's a great guy and has a lot of charisma about him. I think you'll be a fan of his by May, maybe even sooner.

 

[RWhitney014]

I think the deal is pretty even now, but in the long run it helps out the Sox more. Wily Mo is only 24 years old and like you said he crushes left handed pitchers. This year he'll platoon with Nixon and also fill in for Manny and Coco if needed then he'll probably be the starting RFer in 2007 for the Sox depending on how well he does in Fenway. With a little leadership from guys like Ortiz (one of his friends) and Varitek and learning how to hit and take pitches from hitting coach Papa Jackson, the kid could turn into something special. He hit 51 HRs in less than 850 at bats in the big leagues so the kid has power. He has a lot of potential and with the right team, guys, atomsphere he can possibly shine (see Ortiz, David who actually had similiar numbers when he was 26 as does Pena, and no I'm not saying Pena will be the next Ortiz, far from it however the potential is there).

As for Arroyo, look I love the guy and I'm sad #61 won't be in Boston next year. He was a great guy with a rubber arm and never once complained about being a starter or reliever or whatever. But the truth is what you see with Arroyo is probably all you're going to get with him. He's an above average 4 or 5 start but that's it. He would dominate a team the 1st time he faced then but after the 2nd or 3rd time around the teams would knock him around. His numbers have also declined a lot since 2003 when he came up, mainly in his K rate and lack of sucess vs. lefty hitters. Some teams like the Blue Jays would start 7 to 8 lefty hitters against him. He'll probably be the Reds #2 start behind Harrang (being in the NL he'll probably win 12 to 14 games with a 4.00 ERA) and I wish him the best there but I think he reached his ceiling.

The Sox bench is probably their weakest link and now they upgraded. I like the move as it makes the Sox better today and for the future.

He might have already reached his ceiling, but it's a higher one than just about any starter Cincy's got. Milton is the absolute wrong kind of pitcher for a boombox like GABP. Harang as an ace? Right. Claussen hasn't panned out as of yet. Dave Williams was a nice pickup, but he's a 4 at best. Paul Wilson? Mike Gosling? Matt Belisle?

Prospects? Homer Bailey, Travis Wood, Elizardo Ramirez, Phil Dumatrait? No one really stands out as a Pedro Liriano or Matt Cain or Scott Olsen in that group. Arroyo is a stabilizer for a staff that desperately needed one, acquired for a spare piece that won't be terribly missed when you consider who's replacing him.

 

[Ray Finkle]

He might have already reached his ceiling, but it's a higher one than just about any starter Cincy's got. Milton is the absolute wrong kind of pitcher for a boombox like GABP. Harang as an ace? Right. Claussen hasn't panned out as of yet. Dave Williams was a nice pickup, but he's a 4 at best. Paul Wilson? Mike Gosling? Matt Belisle?

Prospects? Homer Bailey, Travis Wood, Elizardo Ramirez, Phil Dumatrait? No one really stands out as a Pedro Liriano or Matt Cain or Scott Olsen in that group. Arroyo is a stabilizer for a staff that desperately needed one, acquired for a spare piece that won't be terribly missed when you consider who's replacing him.

No arguements here. This was a move that both teams had to make. The Reds need pitching help and Arroyo will help them, no doubt. I'm just shocked that the Reds would trade Pena for something like Arroyo. I didn't think Pena's value was low or Arroyo's value was that high.

All I'm saying is that in the long run I think this was a better deal for the Sox due to Pena's potential.

 

[djfresh47]

This is a huge move for the Red Sox. The BoSox need to get him in the lineup because I think he can be a star. Obviously i'm a Chisox fan and I would take any of the ChiSox top 6 over him even though the team has struggled in spring ball. Pena is 24 and this was a horrible trade for the Reds and a great move by Epstein.

 

[MikeO]

I know Red Sox fans will just think I am ripping them here but I dont' get this trade at all for them.

Schilling, Beckett, Wells, Clement......these are all injury prone guys. A guy like Arroyo is always healthy, can eat up innings. Can start or come out of the pen. He has been good in the playoffs. Has guts!

I don't see the need for another outfielder (unless they aren't confident in Crisp) when you have a pitching staff that needed a young arm like Arroyo!!!

On a side note: The Boston University co-eds are flipping out now! What will they do now that there PIMP-DADDY is out of town!

 

[Ray Finkle]

I know Red Sox fans will just think I am ripping them here but I dont' get this trade at all for them.

Schilling, Beckett, Wells, Clement......these are all injury prone guys. A guy like Arroyo is always healthy, can eat up innings. Can start or come out of the pen. He has been good in the playoffs. Has guts!

I don't see the need for another outfielder (unless they aren't confident in Crisp) when you have a pitching staff that needed a young arm like Arroyo!!!

On a side note: The Boston University co-eds are flipping out now! What will they do now that there PIMP-DADDY is out of town!

I think Arroyo is more upset about that then they are. What is there to do in Ohio compared to Boston?

Anyway you do have a very good point. Arroyo has a rubber arm and could be used at anytime whether to start or relieve. I loved Arroyo more than any Sox fan, however I do like the deal. Pena is the Sox 4th OFer as of right now and hits the crap out of lefties (something Nixon can't do). He is also very good backup when Nixon hurts himself again or if Manny or Crisp need a day off.

I personally think the trade had more to do with the upside of Pena and the fear of decline of Arroyo, as I mentioned earlier the Sox were a little worried about his big decline in Ks and how lefties hit him hard. I think they saw a chance to get a good young player for him and jumped on it.

If one of the pitchers gets hurt the ball is going to be handed to Papelbon, he's the man. Arroyo probably wouldn't have started a game unless 2 or more starters went down. And all reports are is that Jon Lester will be up with the team by July like Papelbon was to help out in a starter/long relief role. The Sox also have Lenny Dinirdo and Abe Alvarez in the minor that have started in the big leagues and wouldn't kil the team if they have to start 2 or 3 games while a pitcher is on the DL.

I don't think it has anything to do with Crisp being able to handle Boston but he's doing a good job fitting in with the media and fans right now. I think it has more to do with RF in 2007.

 

[Perfect23]

We probably wont be able to see Homer Baily pitch for the REDS this year now.

 

[RWhitney014]

I know Red Sox fans will just think I am ripping them here but I dont' get this trade at all for them.

Schilling, Beckett, Wells, Clement......these are all injury prone guys. A guy like Arroyo is always healthy, can eat up innings. Can start or come out of the pen. He has been good in the playoffs. Has guts!

I don't see the need for another outfielder (unless they aren't confident in Crisp) when you have a pitching staff that needed a young arm like Arroyo!!!

On a side note: The Boston University co-eds are flipping out now! What will they do now that there PIMP-DADDY is out of town!

My first thought when I saw this trade was "whoa". My second thought was "Mike's gonna be pissed he can't bomb on Arroyo any more."

:wink:

 

[MikeO]

My first thought when I saw this trade was "whoa". My second thought was "Mike's gonna be pissed he can't bomb on Arroyo any more."

:wink:

As a Yankee fan Arroyo scared me a bit. Rubber arm. Gutsy pitcher. I'm glad he's gone.

I just liked all of his off the field co-ed stuff. Damn! Those pictures with the hotties were smokin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am an Arroyo fan for just that stuff alone!