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As much as I try to remain objective regarding some of our diverse opinions regarding the QB position, I am suprised at the lack of thought that some put into their opinions. This isnt madden its the NFL.

Enough about Carr and Green for one second. Lets start with the draft.

I would be happy to have someone like Quinn fall to 9. As unlikely as that is to happen, lets say we get him.
Why are so many people saying no to Carr or Green and draft Quinn. We are in a situation where both may be necessary. The idea of putting a rookie QB on Day 1 behind a suspect line is not only a severe gamble, but a sign that the season is expendable. Few rookies can come in and play effectively day one. Even though Quinn has been raised on an NFL system, the little mistakes that can lose a game or two can result in another year without a playoff birth. Is this year a training period for a rookie? Cams press conference pointed in a different direction. We are not rebuilding, just adding to what we have. Any QB we draft should be acclimated to a system.....not force fed it and thrown to the wolves.
As for Stanton, we have the same problem as Quinn. Teams that pick before us in the 2nd round are just as likely to pick him up. Imagine how many threads we will have if we are unable to pick up a QB after the big 3 are gone.

Cam had time to develop Rivers, it makes sense that he would follow the same route that brought him success, wouldnt you say?

Regardless of who we pick in the draft, we will need a viable starter this year! The rookie should have the opportunity, but should not be put in until ready. If we drafted Quinn, Stanton,etc.....and they are not ready, we are gambleing on CPEPs health and Lemon. Carr is a better option than CPEP if hes not 100% (which it looks like his 65% is his new 100%) and Lemon, who I think also needs development. Dont forget that drafting a QB in the first is basically a goodbye ticket for CPEP in a 2 years at the most.

Back to the veterans, its ok to have differing opinions on Carr, Green, CPEP, or whoever. Lets remember that the final analysis should include the status of one with another.
For example, if Green is 36 years old, it is likely that he could hold it down while a rookie is acclimated. So the Vet coincides with the rookie from a schedule standpoint.

In Carrs situation its a little different. He could be a valid option especially if we are unable to pick up one of the desired QBs in the draft. Lets be honest, it may be possible that the dolphins dont pick up a QB until 3rd, 4th, or even later rounds. I wouldnt want that, but its possible. If the guys are picked before we do, than you have to deal with it.

So for those who are head strong about drafting a QB like me, thats OK. Lets be wise enough to know that it will be a slower process than we think, and that a veteran presence is just as important to the dolphins being as competitive as we know they can this year.


Go phins!
 
so true people tend to forgat joey carr leaf wre all like brady one day
 
Good Post, but, whoever said anything about starting a rookie in his first year
? Although some rookie starters can be very successful [Vince Young, Rivers (although not his first year he was essentially a rookie last year), Lienart] the odds are against, but it can happen. Quinn is probably the best groomed for this senario. However, although Cam has stated that there will be an open QB competition, I do not see DC with this team next season if we sign Green or Carr. There is no way whatsoever we can afford to pay starting salaries to 2 QB's. I see it either being Green/Lemon/Draft or Carr/Lemon/Draft for 2008...Hopefully we can get Carr instead of Green (although as immobile and old as he is he may be a good pick up)because we would get more out of him in terms of future production ans would not cost us any picks.
 
I can't remember anyone saying start a rookie

1. Its the Culpepper camp

2. Its the Green Camp and draft a rookie for him to Tudor

3. Its the Carr camp

4. Start Lemon camp

But I have not seen anyone say start a rookie.
 
Good Post, but, whoever said anything about starting a rookie in his first year. Although some rookie starters can be very successful [Vince Young, Rivers (although not his first year he was essentially a rookie last year), Lienart] the odds are against, but it can happen. Quinn is probably the best groomed for this senario. However, although Cam has stated that there will be an open QB competition, I do not see DC with this team next season if we sign Green or Carr. There is no way whatsoever we can afford to pay starting salaries to 2 QB's. I see it either being Green/Lemon/Draft or Carr/Lemon/Draft for 2008...Hopefully we can get Carr instead of Green (although as immobile and old as he is he may be a good pick up)because we would get more out of him in terms of future production ans would not cost us any picks.


Thanks, read around here a little and youll see a whole bunch of people saying no to car and green and CPEP and draft quinn. Its as if they see him playing day 1 with Lemon as a backup. They may not say directly to start him, but they provide no other options.
 
well i think you can start a rookie day one in a two back system.
 
As much as I try to remain objective regarding some of our diverse opinions regarding the QB position, I am suprised at the lack of thought that some put into their opinions. This isnt madden its the NFL.

Enough about Carr and Green for one second. Lets start with the draft.

I would be happy to have someone like Quinn fall to 9. As unlikely as that is to happen, lets say we get him.
Why are so many people saying no to Carr or Green and draft Quinn. We are in a situation where both may be necessary. The idea of putting a rookie QB on Day 1 behind a suspect line is not only a severe gamble, but a sign that the season is expendable. Few rookies can come in and play effectively day one. Even though Quinn has been raised on an NFL system, the little mistakes that can lose a game or two can result in another year without a playoff birth. Is this year a training period for a rookie? Cams press conference pointed in a different direction. We are not rebuilding, just adding to what we have. Any QB we draft should be acclimated to a system.....not force fed it and thrown to the wolves.
As for Stanton, we have the same problem as Quinn. Teams that pick before us in the 2nd round are just as likely to pick him up. Imagine how many threads we will have if we are unable to pick up a QB after the big 3 are gone.

Cam had time to develop Rivers, it makes sense that he would follow the same route that brought him success, wouldnt you say?

Regardless of who we pick in the draft, we will need a viable starter this year! The rookie should have the opportunity, but should not be put in until ready. If we drafted Quinn, Stanton,etc.....and they are not ready, we are gambleing on CPEPs health and Lemon. Carr is a better option than CPEP if hes not 100% (which it looks like his 65% is his new 100%) and Lemon, who I think also needs development. Dont forget that drafting a QB in the first is basically a goodbye ticket for CPEP in a 2 years at the most.

Back to the veterans, its ok to have differing opinions on Carr, Green, CPEP, or whoever. Lets remember that the final analysis should include the status of one with another.
For example, if Green is 36 years old, it is likely that he could hold it down while a rookie is acclimated. So the Vet coincides with the rookie from a schedule standpoint.

In Carrs situation its a little different. He could be a valid option especially if we are unable to pick up one of the desired QBs in the draft. Lets be honest, it may be possible that the dolphins dont pick up a QB until 3rd, 4th, or even later rounds. I wouldnt want that, but its possible. If the guys are picked before we do, than you have to deal with it.

So for those who are head strong about drafting a QB like me, thats OK. Lets be wise enough to know that it will be a slower process than we think, and that a veteran presence is just as important to the dolphins being as competitive as we know they can this year.


Go phins!
that is why when you get quinn, you get green or culpepper to start and then quinn will learn behind them. i think that is the reason we have been going after green, cuz if we get him for a low price he could backup DC and if he isnt ready then green will play instead of having the rookie play. you have to wait until the rookie is ready to play instead of throwing him in there too early, like joey in detroit
 
that is why when you get quinn, you get green or culpepper to start and then quinn will learn behind them. i think that is the reason we have been going after green, cuz if we get him for a low price he could backup DC and if he isnt ready then green will play instead of having the rookie play. you have to wait until the rookie is ready to play instead of throwing him in there too early, like joey in detroit

To have CPEP, Green, and Quinn on the roster is highly unlikely for the money involved. IMO if CPEP isnt evaluatable by June, we need to make arrangements.
 
The reason people want Green is so he can mentor a rookie until he is ready.

But of course they'll turn on the kid the second he slips up.
 
The reason people want Green is so he can mentor a rookie until he is ready.

But of course they'll turn on the kid the second he slips up.


Yep. And then they will say, we should have signed Carr. This also goes vice versa. Either way you cant please everyone.
 
As much as I try to remain objective regarding some of our diverse opinions regarding the QB position, I am suprised at the lack of thought that some put into their opinions. This isnt madden its the NFL.

Enough about Carr and Green for one second. Lets start with the draft.

I would be happy to have someone like Quinn fall to 9. As unlikely as that is to happen, lets say we get him.
Why are so many people saying no to Carr or Green and draft Quinn. We are in a situation where both may be necessary. The idea of putting a rookie QB on Day 1 behind a suspect line is not only a severe gamble, but a sign that the season is expendable. Few rookies can come in and play effectively day one. Even though Quinn has been raised on an NFL system, the little mistakes that can lose a game or two can result in another year without a playoff birth. Is this year a training period for a rookie? Cams press conference pointed in a different direction. We are not rebuilding, just adding to what we have. Any QB we draft should be acclimated to a system.....not force fed it and thrown to the wolves.
As for Stanton, we have the same problem as Quinn. Teams that pick before us in the 2nd round are just as likely to pick him up. Imagine how many threads we will have if we are unable to pick up a QB after the big 3 are gone.

Cam had time to develop Rivers, it makes sense that he would follow the same route that brought him success, wouldnt you say?

Regardless of who we pick in the draft, we will need a viable starter this year! The rookie should have the opportunity, but should not be put in until ready. If we drafted Quinn, Stanton,etc.....and they are not ready, we are gambleing on CPEPs health and Lemon. Carr is a better option than CPEP if hes not 100% (which it looks like his 65% is his new 100%) and Lemon, who I think also needs development. Dont forget that drafting a QB in the first is basically a goodbye ticket for CPEP in a 2 years at the most.

Back to the veterans, its ok to have differing opinions on Carr, Green, CPEP, or whoever. Lets remember that the final analysis should include the status of one with another.
For example, if Green is 36 years old, it is likely that he could hold it down while a rookie is acclimated. So the Vet coincides with the rookie from a schedule standpoint.

In Carrs situation its a little different. He could be a valid option especially if we are unable to pick up one of the desired QBs in the draft. Lets be honest, it may be possible that the dolphins dont pick up a QB until 3rd, 4th, or even later rounds. I wouldnt want that, but its possible. If the guys are picked before we do, than you have to deal with it.

So for those who are head strong about drafting a QB like me, thats OK. Lets be wise enough to know that it will be a slower process than we think, and that a veteran presence is just as important to the dolphins being as competitive as we know they can this year.


Go phins!
im one of those who said no to green and carr because i think c-pep will be back>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cooldude:
 
if we don't get carr or green and cpep isn't healthy quinn will have to start his this year if we get him
 
I can't remember anyone saying start a rookie

1. Its the Culpepper camp

2. Its the Green Camp and draft a rookie for him to Tudor

3. Its the Carr camp

4. Start Lemon camp

But I have not seen anyone say start a rookie.

Start the rookie! :wink:
 
As much as I try to remain objective regarding some of our diverse opinions regarding the QB position, I am suprised at the lack of thought that some put into their opinions. This isnt madden its the NFL.

Enough about Carr and Green for one second. Lets start with the draft.

I would be happy to have someone like Quinn fall to 9. As unlikely as that is to happen, lets say we get him.
Why are so many people saying no to Carr or Green and draft Quinn. We are in a situation where both may be necessary. The idea of putting a rookie QB on Day 1 behind a suspect line is not only a severe gamble, but a sign that the season is expendable. Few rookies can come in and play effectively day one. Even though Quinn has been raised on an NFL system, the little mistakes that can lose a game or two can result in another year without a playoff birth. Is this year a training period for a rookie? Cams press conference pointed in a different direction. We are not rebuilding, just adding to what we have. Any QB we draft should be acclimated to a system.....not force fed it and thrown to the wolves.
As for Stanton, we have the same problem as Quinn. Teams that pick before us in the 2nd round are just as likely to pick him up. Imagine how many threads we will have if we are unable to pick up a QB after the big 3 are gone.

Cam had time to develop Rivers, it makes sense that he would follow the same route that brought him success, wouldnt you say?

Regardless of who we pick in the draft, we will need a viable starter this year! The rookie should have the opportunity, but should not be put in until ready. If we drafted Quinn, Stanton,etc.....and they are not ready, we are gambleing on CPEPs health and Lemon. Carr is a better option than CPEP if hes not 100% (which it looks like his 65% is his new 100%) and Lemon, who I think also needs development. Dont forget that drafting a QB in the first is basically a goodbye ticket for CPEP in a 2 years at the most.

Back to the veterans, its ok to have differing opinions on Carr, Green, CPEP, or whoever. Lets remember that the final analysis should include the status of one with another.
For example, if Green is 36 years old, it is likely that he could hold it down while a rookie is acclimated. So the Vet coincides with the rookie from a schedule standpoint.

In Carrs situation its a little different. He could be a valid option especially if we are unable to pick up one of the desired QBs in the draft. Lets be honest, it may be possible that the dolphins dont pick up a QB until 3rd, 4th, or even later rounds. I wouldnt want that, but its possible. If the guys are picked before we do, than you have to deal with it.

So for those who are head strong about drafting a QB like me, thats OK. Lets be wise enough to know that it will be a slower process than we think, and that a veteran presence is just as important to the dolphins being as competitive as we know they can this year.


Go phins!


You want to know what a lot of us have really had enough of?????????

Your @#$%^ references to a stupid*** video game that most of us with half a brain have never looked at.

Your continual references to "Madden" only serve to madden us.

We don't give a rat's *** about your juvenile dumb**** game.

Grow up!!! and start using reality as a basis for your posts. Were disussing the NFL!!!!!!!!!!!! Not nintendo or Xbox or paper dolls or any other TOYS!!!
 
I can't remember anyone saying start a rookie

1. Its the Culpepper camp

2. Its the Green Camp and draft a rookie for him to Tudor

3. Its the Carr camp

4. Start Lemon camp

But I have not seen anyone say start a rookie.

If we start Lemon something went terribly wrong.
 
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