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Remember the 2014 Dolphins and then signing Suh?

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I see a lot of negative posts on here and on other sites about all of the players we have signed, with no big names. Remember back in 2014 when we were 8-8 and just missed the playoffs because we had 3 late game collapses on D when we were winning late?

That off season, we gave Suh a mega deal and everyone thought we were playoff bound for sure! We went 6-10 the next year. My point is we just missed the playoffs the last 2 years. We have a new coach with a new offense and we are getting solid players that fit that scheme, not blowing our load on a couple of high priced FA's or trashing our future by throwing multiple picks for players other teams aren't going out of their way to keep for whatever reason.

We are not "one" player away, just like we weren't when we blew our load on Suh. We have instead got better in multiple areas and brought in guys who will fit our new scheme. So when you are pissed that we didn't land the guy you wanted for a stupid amount of money or crazy draft capital, remember what happened to us in 2015.
 
It's not just that. It's the fact that once again, we aren't showing a priority on the o line. We may still get one, we will see. But after the problem being the same year after year, you would think we would at least be rumored to a lot more o line players than we are. Or showing more interest. So far, one player and he is a penalty machine. We need to stop messing around and fix this effing o line no matter what
 
We see it every single year. People treat free agency like it's a free-for-all of the best players in the league. In reality, the best players don't hit free agency. Teams should use this time to address holes and add depth, same as the draft. Throwing a ton of money at one or two guys is a fool's errand and rarely pays off
 
It's not just that. It's the fact that once again, we aren't showing a priority on the o line. We may still get one, we will see. But after the problem being the same year after year, you would think we would at least be rumored to a lot more o line players than we are. Or showing more interest. So far, one player and he is a penalty machine. We need to stop messing around and fix this effing o line no matter what
I hear you on the OL, but we did sign a scheme fit already there. Also the type of blocking in McDaniel's scheme requires OL that are athletic and can move and pull, and have the IQ and discipline to handle a lot of motion. It is not just about signing a big name, if they do not fit the scheme. I agree though OL has been the biggest issue a decade plus.
 
Worth noting that we signed Suh and then started udfas at LB and I believe Walt Aikens started at safety. Poorly constructed defense.
Kind of what happens when you spend too much money on just a few players though.
 
Also the type of blocking in McDaniel's scheme requires OL that are athletic and can move and pull, and have the IQ and discipline to handle a lot of motion. It is not just about signing a big name, if they do not fit the scheme. I agree though OL has been the biggest issue a decade plus.
IMO, the problem with the o-line started with Philbin bringing in a similar type of blocking that either wasn't effective, they couldn't find the right linemen to do it, or a combination of both. I've been saying for years that I think linemen like Pouncey, Tunsil, and James suck because they couldn't protect the QB or be dominant in the running game. You'd expect 1st round picks to be at least above average, but they weren't. However, so many so-called knowledgeable fans think that Pouncey and Tunsil were "elite", so maybe the problem wasn't them, but that the blocking schemes that Philbin wanted them to execute were ineffective. Philbin took a decent o-line (with the exception of some turnstiles at RT), and made it worse almost immediately. Now, McDaniel wants to have blocking schemes far more complicated than what Philbin had, and he's starting with the absolute worst o-line in the entire league!

I said this before and I'll keep saying it; football is a tough, physical game, so you need tough, physical players. Build an old-school physically dominating team and just smack the crap out of the fancy-pants "finesse" teams!
 
I see a lot of negative posts on here and on other sites about all of the players we have signed, with no big names. Remember back in 2014 when we were 8-8 and just missed the playoffs because we had 3 late game collapses on D when we were winning late?

That off season, we gave Suh a mega deal and everyone thought we were playoff bound for sure! We went 6-10 the next year. My point is we just missed the playoffs the last 2 years. We have a new coach with a new offense and we are getting solid players that fit that scheme, not blowing our load on a couple of high priced FA's or trashing our future by throwing multiple picks for players other teams aren't going out of their way to keep for whatever reason.

We are not "one" player away, just like we weren't when we blew our load on Suh. We have instead got better in multiple areas and brought in guys who will fit our new scheme. So when you are pissed that we didn't land the guy you wanted for a stupid amount of money or crazy draft capital, remember what happened to us in 2015.
I tried to remember some of that what you posted earlier in a post but you nailed it
 
Besides Armstead is there really an upgrade at tackle, though. So many that we talked about prior to free agency ended up re-signing with their teams.
 
Great post and yeah ..
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That was back when our front office was just recklessly spending and giving out huge contracts that set our franchise into salary cap hell (which set us back for years) Thanks for all of that Tannenbum
 
We see it every single year. People treat free agency like it's a free-for-all of the best players in the league. In reality, the best players don't hit free agency. Teams should use this time to address holes and add depth, same as the draft. Throwing a ton of money at one or two guys is a fool's errand and rarely pays off
Unless Liam Eichenberg, Austin Jackson and Jesse Davis are your top 3 OTs.

When it's proven your GM can't hit on that position then you are forced to overpay for the need.

We are actually in purgatory IMHO ATM.
 
I hated the Suh move at the time and didn’t think we were going to the playoffs.

I hated the Mike Wallace move too. And Brandon Albert. Wasn’t a huge fan of Byron Jones considering the contract he got, but he’s probably been the best of the bunch.

The pick ups so far have all been net positive players… the players we’ve gained in RB, QB, WR, OL room all leave us in a better position than when we ended the season. We haven’t lost anyone (other than I guess #5/6 WR Mack Hollins) but we’ve added or kept everyone across the board.

I’m generally not as overly optimistic as most people on this forum (realistic), and never been a big fan of Chris Grier, but this has been a good offseason by him so far.

I couldn’t care less about 80% of the opinions on this forum… most people are actually clueless when it comes to having any depth to their off the cuff assessments and then the other 20% are generally hyper intelligent and post some insightful ****.
 
Besides Armstead is there really an upgrade at tackle, though. So many that we talked about prior to free agency ended up re-signing with their teams.
It's crazy when you say it out loud, right? But I'm up on what you're laying down. Collins would be a nice addition at RT, if they want him they better trade for him now before he gets released or another team pulls the trigger. Identify and Execute. Then Armstead, he is still out there and we could work the cap to make it happen if we are so inclined. Is his cap hit worth the risk of him being in the sideline? If history is any indication. But the same question could be applied to any signing we have had to this point. With that being said, feels like we are done with the oline at this time. That's just my gut feeling, which means Jack squat.
 
We see it every single year. People treat free agency like it's a free-for-all of the best players in the league. In reality, the best players don't hit free agency. Teams should use this time to address holes and add depth, same as the draft. Throwing a ton of money at one or two guys is a fool's errand and rarely pays off
Von Miller was released, you don't think he is a great player?
 
Based on PFFs free agency tracker, Miami signed the following players in this offseason so far.

- 5th ranked edge rusher Ogbah
- 1st ranked tight end Gesicki
- 3rd ranked guard Williams
- 4th ranked RB Edmonds
- 11th ranked RB Mostert
- 16th ranked WR Wilson
- 2nd ranked QB Bridgewater
- a bunch of depth players and a quality FB

That's 5 guys in the top 5 available FA in their respective positions.

More importantly, our highest ranked departure is Will Fuller at 11th - nobody else who's leaving is in the top 20 in their respective positions.
 
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