Retrospect - Waddle and Phillips

[madridfinfan]

I get it. We lost out on Pitts and Chase. But I still believe that from trading down from 3 to 6, the FO was not fixated on those 2. Waddle is not a bad consolation prize. Yeah, he’s doesnt have the height measurables , buts he’s got a rapport with Tua (I’m sure the FO picked his brain about Waddle vs Smith), and he gives us a dimension we haven’t had - speed and the ability to score any time he touches the ball (please don’t tell me Grant fits that bill).

Also, for those think we should have stayed at 12 and let the board fall, both Philly and NYG would most likely have picked Waddle and Smith, leaving us with Bateman, Moore, Toney, etc.

As for Phillips, I get it again. Another injury risk (basically playing with 2 strikes for the concussion history), but the dude can flat out play. Should we have waited until round 2 to grab an edge, Phillips would have been gone, and there was a run at the end of the 1st on edge guys like Paye, Turner, Oweh, Rousseau. There are still guys like Ojulari, Ossai and Basham that could still have been had, but I don’t knock the swing for the fences approach.

Armchair GM Day 1: I would’ve grabbed Davonta Smith and Christian Darrisaw.

Armchair GM day 2: Id go for RT/C/RB, in that order. Wouldn’t rule out a Moehring or Grant at S if there.

Fins up!!!

 

[fansinceGWilson]

I get it. We lost out on Pitts and Chase. But I still believe that from trading down from 3 to 6, the FO was not fixated on those 2. Waddle is not a bad consolation prize. Yeah, he’s doesnt have the height measurables , buts he’s got a rapport with Tua (I’m sure the FO picked his brain about Waddle vs Smith), and he gives us a dimension we haven’t had - speed and the ability to score any time he touches the ball (please don’t tell me Grant fits that bill).

Also, for those think we should have stayed at 12 and let the board fall, both Philly and NYG would most likely have picked Waddle and Smith, leaving us with Bateman, Moore, Toney, etc.

As for Phillips, I get it again. Another injury risk (basically playing with 2 strikes for the concussion history), but the dude can flat out play. Should we have waited until round 2 to grab an edge, Phillips would have been gone, and there was a run at the end of the 1st on edge guys like Paye, Turner, Oweh, Rousseau. There are still guys like Ojulari, Ossai and Basham that could still have been had, but I don’t knock the swing for the fences approach.

Armchair GM Day 1: I would’ve grabbed Davonta Smith and Christian Darrisaw.

Armchair GM day 2: Id go for RT/C/RB, in that order. Wouldn’t rule out a Moehring or Grant at S if there.

Fins up!!!

The problem seems to be those wanting Pitts or Chase didn't get their wish and can't imagine Flo/Grier didn't agree with their evaluations. Most of us concluded (I think, correctly) when Miami moved to #6, they would be happy with any of 3-4 guys. Now we have those wanting Pitts/Chase/Sewel unhappy with the draft.
Phillips? Arguably the best Edge in the draft. Yes, injury concerns, but Miami didn't draft him without doing due diligence. Doesn't mean he'll go injury-free, but that pick wasn't made without considering injury likelihood.
If I seem prejudiced, I am. I was hoping for a WR/Edge in R1. No specific names, just positions. I'm happy.

 

[madridfinfan]

The draft never goes the way I plan or Hope it will. I get fixated on players and get pissed when they’re not picked. After 35 years of Cole wing te draft religiously, this may be the year (is it age?), where I’ve accepted how the cards have fallen (at least thus far). Come on, this doesnt feel like a Koa misi, Jared Odrick, Jason Allen, Ted Ginn debacle (I hope).
Look, i would have preferred Pitts. Even DeVonta Smith (love his game). But I’m not gonna lose sleep over nabbing Waddle. We got a game breaker, who, had he not gotten hurt, would have taken some of the shine off of DeVonta Smiths remarkable year.

I think 18 was an odd spot to draft, and I think any edge at that point was a bit of a reach (would’ve preferred Parsons or Collins), but yeah, we need guys who can get after the QB, and Phillips can do that as good as anyone in this draft.

The grass is always greener. I’m sure there’s lots of fans of other teams wishing they had been able to draft Waddle and Phillips. Now let’s hope these guys pan out and live up to their potential.

 

[circumstances]

You would have to think they discussed Jaylen Waddle and DeVonta Smith with Tua when they were putting their draft board together.

Who they should select if both players were on the board, etc.

 

[circumstances]

I get it. We lost out on Pitts and Chase.

 

[pb1300]

The ONLY player I was bummed about was Pitts. Other than that, I thought we had a fantastic first round. People want to bitch about missing out on Chase, like he was the second coming of Megatron. Even if you’re not a huge fan of the picks, this team is undoubtedly more talented today, than they were yesterday.

 

[Dolphinator530]

According to numerous sources Waddle was the main prize not the consolation prize.

And I heard a report that Paye had some serious testing on his heart because of some bad numbers weeks before the draft. He passed medical but not some like Adonis like some think.

I personally would rather take a guy who has all of the pass rushing upside and tremendous athletic ability who has shown some production, though he does have injury. over the guy who has very very average production but has a good athletic profile. You can keep saying that he was misused at Michigan but still think that he is a really overall guy who doesn’t necessarily have the greatest natural ability to rush. Phillips was is the number one overall recruit has a tremendous natural ability or the pass rush position, he’s so athletic he was the kick and punt returner on his high school football team.

I am always going to be a bigger fan of taking the guy who has natural ability for a position over a guy who athletically tests that he should be good.

 

[Ferretsquig]

Whatever you think of the picks, it does appear that Grier is very capable of reading the room and maneuvering into position to maximize assets. Whether it was staying put and grabbing Tua last season or trading down and getting their target along with a future first Grier seems to get his way.

Whether the Phins have the coaching staff to get the most out of the talent is still in question but there is no doubting the talent possessed by the two young men drafted.

 

[tay0365]

Though I wanted Pitts, how this worked out has got to be making Tua right now giddy to get back out there.

How many times did Tua throw a perfect pass to Grant (or someone else) who got behind the defense, only to see them drop it or be tackled early...This is not happening with Waddle, he get behind the defense, he is catching it, and taking for way more yards (If not for a score). With Fuller and Waddle on the field, Miami will almost be daring teams to come up...Running game with the Waddle pick just got some help.

Brady made a career of throwing screens and short passes to his receivers, and letting them do most of the work. Welker was Brady's biggest friend as he was slowly developing, he took so many short passes for good to great gains, that it was even starting to get annoying. Waddle is a far more dynamic, faster player then anyone Brady ever had.

Now as for Phillips, yes he has an injury past, including concussions, but #1, he went through an entire season last year, and looked spectacular, and #2, this is not just arguably the best pass-rusher in the draft, he the best all around DE in this draft.

An Edge-Rusher like Rousseau might eventually be a very good pass-rusher, but he will need time, considering he is very inexperienced. While someone like Paye is good against the run, with some ability to rush the QB, but neither is as good all around against the pass and run, as Phillips can be, so sometimes you have to take a chance to get a superstar player.

Miami was able to get an explosive difference maker on the offensive side of the ball, and an explosive difference maker on the defensive side of the ball...How can anyone be upset?