Rex is Making High School Mistake

[ChicagoPhinFan]

Put yourself into the mind of a defensive lineman. Now think about how nice it would be to know the offense’s snap count. Well, I hate to say it, but because of a high school mistake by Rex, the Dolphin’s opponents do know that count. Have you noticed this year that there haven’t been many defensive offsides against the other team this year? It’s Rex’s fault. Now, this only pertains to when Miami is in the shotgun. Watch Rex next time or go back to the tapes and you will see him watch the QB (C-Pep and Joey), through his legs, get into position a few yards behind him. The QB then goes through his cadence and when Rex picks up his head, the snap is one half of a second later. It’s like clockwork. I have gone back through the games hoping to see them use it to draw off the defenders, but I haven’t seen it yet. Those d-linemen are teeing off on them because they know the count. I have a hard time believing Houck hasn’t picked this up yet. Embarrassing if you ask me - especially with how often they are in the shotgun.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

First things first, that is very difficult to read my friend. Make it a little larger please. As for the issue, I noticed that too watching the Pats game. I think it's more of a timing thing possibly because of crowd noise or other disturbances on the field.

 

[ChicagoPhinFan]

This has been for every game though, even at home. Noise isn't a factor there. Even if it was, then he should get a hearing aide or the QBs need to get louder. I don't see this happening on other teams.

 

[cellman007]

ummm, not to rain on your parade here, but you do realize thats a silent count, he is looking between his legs at the QB for a reason, don't you notice that when the QB raises his leg, thats his signal to the center he's ready for him to snap the ball, and all teams use it in the shot gun. As for other times if you think he does it when the QB is under center, well the center has nothing to do with the snap count, the QB calls the snap count in the huddle.

 

[Schleprock]

Put yourself into the mind of a defensive lineman. Now think about how nice it would be to know the offense’s snap count. Well, I hate to say it, but because of a high school mistake by Rex, the Dolphin’s opponents do know that count. Have you noticed this year that there haven’t been many defensive offsides against the other team this year? It’s Rex’s fault. Now, this only pertains to when Miami is in the shotgun. Watch Rex next time or go back to the tapes and you will see him watch the QB (C-Pep and Joey), through his legs, get into position a few yards behind him. The QB then goes through his cadence and when Rex picks up his head, the snap is one half of a second later. It’s like clockwork. I have gone back through the games hoping to see them use it to draw off the defenders, but I haven’t seen it yet. Those d-linemen are teeing off on them because they know the count. I have a hard time believing Houck hasn’t picked this up yet. Embarrassing if you ask me - especially with how often they are in the shotgun.

pure football genius, you should coach.


unfortunately the first day they'd fire you after having to tell you; "Uhm, ChicagoPhinFan, that's how the procedure goes when using the shotgun"

 

[ChicagoPhinFan]

ummm, not to rain on your parade here, but you do realize thats a silent count, he is looking between his legs at the QB for a reason, don't you notice that when the QB raises his leg, thats his signal to the center he's ready for him to snap the ball, and all teams use it in the shot gun. As for other times if you think he does it when the QB is under center, well the center has nothing to do with the snap count, the QB calls the snap count in the huddle.

I understand why he is looking back there. Silent count or not, when he raises his head, the snap is a half second later. That tells the d-line when to go and gives them an unfair jump on the o-line. The d-line should be guessing at the count and jumping on ball movement - not anticipating the count.

 

[ChicagoPhinFan]

pure football genius, you should coach.


unfortunately the first day they'd fire you after having to tell you; "Uhm, ChicagoPhinFan, that's how the procedure goes when using the shotgun"

Thanks very much for trying to mock me when I try to make an observation.

So that's the way it goes? Let's give the other team an indication as to when the d-line should go? I was told even back in high school not to have a pattern when snapping the ball on silent counts. I'm glad you were able to comeback with some football knowledge as to why Rex is snapping when he is rather than saying 'that's how the procedure goes'. That's like telling my kid - because I said so. Rex has a tell, and I'm sure it is being noticed by others.

 

[PhinsRock]

Its a good observation, way to go. Unfortunately if he raises his head any other time he would be called for illegal motion, 5 yards.

 

[cellman007]

I understand why he is looking back there. Silent count or not, when he raises his head, the snap is a half second later. That tells the d-line when to go and gives them an unfair jump on the o-line. The d-line should be guessing at the count and jumping on ball movement - not anticipating the count.

But there is no count, the defense is well aware that he's ready to have the ball snapped when he lifts his leg, it's not a secret, everyone on both sides of the ball are looking in to see when it snaps (watch the recievers they are looking in at the ball as well waiting for the snap), if he waits too long you'll start having false starts on the offense. I think you are reading way too much into it.

 

[Schleprock]

no more of the QB lifting his leg, nor the cetner raising his head. Can't afford tipping them off, from now on it must be 100% telepathic trasnmission for the QB, C, and all 9 other offensive starts.


...oh yeah, and no looking at the ball OL, TE, or WR to get an idea of when it is snapping!

 

[Alex44]

I understand why he is looking back there. Silent count or not, when he raises his head, the snap is a half second later. That tells the d-line when to go and gives them an unfair jump on the o-line. The d-line should be guessing at the count and jumping on ball movement - not anticipating the count.

So he should keep his head down, snap the ball and get slammed on his ***?


Sorry thats how you work from the shotgun. Have you ever played QB at any level?

 

[zachblitz54]

I have noticed this as well. What Chicago is saying is that Rex simply needs to vary the time between lifting his head and actually snapping the ball.

 

[jdang307]

I have noticed this as well. What Chicago is saying is that Rex simply needs to vary the time between lifting his head and actually snapping the ball.

But I think that's how it is for almost every qb i've seen in the shotgun, not even culpepper. Lifts leg, center lifts head, steadies, snap.

If you vary it, there might be confusion. QB is saying, give me the damn ball now, I'm ready, if you get fancy, something might go awry.

 

[ChicagoPhinFan]

So he should keep his head down, snap the ball and get slammed on his ***?


Sorry thats how you work from the shotgun. Have you ever played QB at any level?

No, but have you played center? I did (only high school & 1 yr college though I admit). The center needs to lift the head and vary the time before the snap. If the d knows when the snap is coming, the dline gets to start moving, while still behind the LOS, a split second early (offense cannot move so they cannot get their momentum going early). It is quite an advantage to have yourself moving forward as the ball is being snapped. Also, blitzing LBs know exactly when to rush the line therefore having a nice head of steam coming through. You have got to make it so that everyone is reacting to the ball, not timing the snap. I must truly be off my rocker because this seems so obvious to me. My apologies for posting and my thanks go out to those of you who made it so much fun.

 

[ChicagoPhinFan]

no more of the QB lifting his leg, nor the cetner raising his head. Can't afford tipping them off, from now on it must be 100% telepathic trasnmission for the QB, C, and all 9 other offensive starts.


...oh yeah, and no looking at the ball OL, TE, or WR to get an idea of when it is snapping!

Thank you for once again coming back with a knowledgeable reply.