ckparrothead
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Hey guys I know I haven't posted here in a long time. Sorry about that.
I just wanted to see what ya'll think about the possibility of using the #1 or #2 pick in the draft for Philip Rivers.
I know he's a Charger, but I think a trade is a possibility for a couple of main reasons.
#1. Drew Brees, whether you like him or not, is playing like an All-Pro all of the sudden. This is a team, and an offense, that should suck. OL problems, no WRs to speak of until they picked up McCardell and even then, and their QB situation was supposed to be bad. From top to bottom this is a franchise that is being run poorly, and yet the play of Brees has really elevated the franchise to contender status. They are the feel-good story of the NFL right now and that should really continue, and if they have any success in the post-season, you may see a lot more sentiment in Charger-land going with Drew Brees, rather than newcomer southerner, holdout Phil Rivers.
#2. Speaking of holdout, Phil Rivers made no friends in the San Diego front office when he held out during training camp. I believe he was the LAST rookie to get under contract, and that means something. Of course, part of the reason was because the Chargers were low-balling him badly, but he was low-balling them as well by coming out saying that he should get paid commensurate of the #1 pick in the draft. Marty Schottenheimer is probably still in love with the kid, but GM A.J. Smith may harbor some resentment for Rivers' being the last rookie to sign and making the Chargers look bad.
#3. Speaking of AJ Smith, he's a pretty young GM, not unlike Spielman. And not unlike Spielman, he's a little less bound by conservative norms than other older GMs around the league who've been around for a long time and are so sure of what is acceptable or not acceptable to do. Like Spielman, he's also prone to making...questionable?...calls. Smith has already gone on record stating that Brees will probably be franchised, since he's set to become a UFA next year, and he even gave a hint that indeed anything is possible where it concerns dumping RIVERS instead of Brees. Similar along this note, is the fact that, like I was saying, Spielman and Smith very similar in thinking, and Spielman did in fact fall in love with Phil Rivers, and the two of these guys have worked together before on the Seau deal and on the Boston deal. They know all about how to get around the barriers of trading huge-contract players with the salary cap by having Miami pay back some of the Chargers' signing bonus and bonus obligations.
#4. I think the Chargers already have 2 first round picks, don't they? One is their own, set to be a pretty low pick, another is the Giants' pick, which will be mid-first round. We will have the #1 or #2 pick in the NFL draft. There's ammo on both sides, and there's players (Alex Barron, WRs like Mike Williams and Braylon Edwards, DT Rodrique Wright) that the Chargers could use to make themselves a better team.
Overall I think we'd have a modest chance of negotiating our #1 or #2 pick for their low first round pick, in exchange for Phil Rivers, if we found ways to reduce the cap hit that the Chargers would take for trading him.
I have to be honest I have started leaning more toward a guy like Aaron Rodgers or some other physically gifted guy with a cannon arm, because I love what cannon arms can do for ya, but Rivers will have had a year of pro practice under his belt already, and I still think he could be the most successful of all the 2004 QBs.
I just wanted to see what ya'll think about the possibility of using the #1 or #2 pick in the draft for Philip Rivers.
I know he's a Charger, but I think a trade is a possibility for a couple of main reasons.
#1. Drew Brees, whether you like him or not, is playing like an All-Pro all of the sudden. This is a team, and an offense, that should suck. OL problems, no WRs to speak of until they picked up McCardell and even then, and their QB situation was supposed to be bad. From top to bottom this is a franchise that is being run poorly, and yet the play of Brees has really elevated the franchise to contender status. They are the feel-good story of the NFL right now and that should really continue, and if they have any success in the post-season, you may see a lot more sentiment in Charger-land going with Drew Brees, rather than newcomer southerner, holdout Phil Rivers.
#2. Speaking of holdout, Phil Rivers made no friends in the San Diego front office when he held out during training camp. I believe he was the LAST rookie to get under contract, and that means something. Of course, part of the reason was because the Chargers were low-balling him badly, but he was low-balling them as well by coming out saying that he should get paid commensurate of the #1 pick in the draft. Marty Schottenheimer is probably still in love with the kid, but GM A.J. Smith may harbor some resentment for Rivers' being the last rookie to sign and making the Chargers look bad.
#3. Speaking of AJ Smith, he's a pretty young GM, not unlike Spielman. And not unlike Spielman, he's a little less bound by conservative norms than other older GMs around the league who've been around for a long time and are so sure of what is acceptable or not acceptable to do. Like Spielman, he's also prone to making...questionable?...calls. Smith has already gone on record stating that Brees will probably be franchised, since he's set to become a UFA next year, and he even gave a hint that indeed anything is possible where it concerns dumping RIVERS instead of Brees. Similar along this note, is the fact that, like I was saying, Spielman and Smith very similar in thinking, and Spielman did in fact fall in love with Phil Rivers, and the two of these guys have worked together before on the Seau deal and on the Boston deal. They know all about how to get around the barriers of trading huge-contract players with the salary cap by having Miami pay back some of the Chargers' signing bonus and bonus obligations.
#4. I think the Chargers already have 2 first round picks, don't they? One is their own, set to be a pretty low pick, another is the Giants' pick, which will be mid-first round. We will have the #1 or #2 pick in the NFL draft. There's ammo on both sides, and there's players (Alex Barron, WRs like Mike Williams and Braylon Edwards, DT Rodrique Wright) that the Chargers could use to make themselves a better team.
Overall I think we'd have a modest chance of negotiating our #1 or #2 pick for their low first round pick, in exchange for Phil Rivers, if we found ways to reduce the cap hit that the Chargers would take for trading him.
I have to be honest I have started leaning more toward a guy like Aaron Rodgers or some other physically gifted guy with a cannon arm, because I love what cannon arms can do for ya, but Rivers will have had a year of pro practice under his belt already, and I still think he could be the most successful of all the 2004 QBs.
