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Ronnie >>>>>>> Ricky

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To be honest I don't even believe that as I think they are both good backs but I'm a little shocked so many people think Ricky is such a better RB(Well not really, nothing surprises me here). But anyway, I encourage you to look at these stats....

-Brown has a career average of 4.4 yards per carry
-Ricky Williams career average is 4.0
-Ronnies worst average in a season was 4.2
-Ricky's worst average in a season was 3.5
-Ronnies best average in a season was 5.1(cut short though, only 7 games)
-Ricky's best average in a season was 4.8
-Ricky has had 7 seasons where he played in 7 games or more and in 5 of those seasons he had a worse average than Ronnie Brown has Ever had in the NFL

Some Of you might say oh well Ronnie had a better OL throughout the coarse of his career than Ricky did, well to that I say BS but also....

-Ricky and Ronnie have played 2 seasons together, the first year they had the same average and last year Brown had a bigger average.

Does any of this mean that Ronnie is a much better back than Ricky Williams? NO it does not, it doesn't even necessarily mean he's better at all but for those of you who want to label Ricky as a god amongst RB's these #'s would suggest that Ronnie Brown is a pretty damn good back himself.

One thing is also definitely for certain.... BOTH of these guys need the ball. I'd rather Ronnie get more carries but even if it's Ricky I don't care as long as they get more than 21 carries combined(last week was ridiculous)
 
They split carries....we have the advantage of lwaning heavily on whoever is hot....as long as we actually run the ball.

So who cares?
 
So your not taking into account, blocking ability, vision, speed, ability to break tackles.. The other thread takes into account the entire picture of both runningbacks while this one only takes into account yardage...

Ronnie is stronger and younger, but Ricky is faster and clearly has better vision.. Both block equally as good. we have two runningbacks that can start on any NFL team.. This is a good problem to have.

FYI - They didnt combine for 21 carries on Sunday, they only combined for 17 carries and were averaging in total about 5 yards a pop... we definitely should have ran them more.. Its a testiment to Hennings horrible playcalling that day to why they only got the ball 17 times and averaged 5 yards a carry in doing so. if we ran the ball more, more than likely we would not have had all those turnovers.
 
dolpns13 said:
So your not taking into account, blocking ability, vision, speed, ability to break tackles.. The other thread takes into account the entire picture of both runningbacks while this one only takes into account yardage...

Ronnie is stronger and younger, but Ricky is faster and clearly has better vision.. Both block equally as good. we have two runningbacks that can start on any NFL team.. This is a good problem to have.
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I think Ronnie is a better blocker, but anyway the only thing I really took into account with the original post was production. I really don't care who is better at what but when put on the same team in the same situations with the same people blocking Ronnie Brown has produced more and at a better average. Really though I don't even care about that..... You are correct we have two staring caliber RB's they are both very good IMO.
 
Ronnie has had to play behind some of the worst offensive lines I've ever seen assembled in the NFL....his YPC average being what it is the most underrated statistic in the NFL...

I've pointed it out before....his yards per touch average throughout his career is better than any RB currently in the NFL not named Adrian Peterson...

In fact...it's better than most of the running backs in the Hall of Fame...

He just doesn't get the rock enough....and we've all had to watch this guy practically have to stiff arm a defensive lineman just to take the exchange from the quarterback....
 
TedSlimmJr said:
Ronnie has had to play behind some of the worst offensive lines I've ever seen assembled in the NFL....his YPC average being what it is the most underrated statistic in the NFL...

I've pointed it out before....his yards per touch average throughout his career is better than any RB currently in the NFL not named Adrian Peterson...

In fact...it's better than most of the running backs in the Hall of Fame...

He just doesn't get the rock enough....and we've all had to watch this guy practically have to stiff arm a defensive lineman just to take the exchange from the quarterback....
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Ricky had a horrible line in 2003 and he still rushed for 1300 yards although his ypc sucked (but due to the OL). Had he had a good line, taking what he averaged before that crap year he would have had 1600 yards.
 
TedSlimmJr said:
Ronnie has had to play behind some of the worst offensive lines I've ever seen assembled in the NFL....his YPC average being what it is the most underrated statistic in the NFL...

I've pointed it out before....his yards per touch average throughout his career is better than any RB currently in the NFL not named Adrian Peterson...

In fact...it's better than most of the running backs in the Hall of Fame...

He just doesn't get the rock enough....and we've all had to watch this guy practically have to stiff arm a defensive lineman just to take the exchange from the quarterback....
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Thank you. Finally someone understands what Ronnie is and how good he is. Every single damn play he has to elude a defender in the backfield or 1 yard after he touches the ball. Everytime I see him touch the ball he is dodging defenders and RARELY ever has a clean hole to go through. Unlike Peterson who has about 4 holes to choose from every single play. Ricky is getting yardage from Jet sweeps and fake FB HB tosses. Whenever Ricy gets the ball through the middle of our O-line he is going down right away or barely gets any yardage whereas Ronnie is trucking people eluding people and what not. Imagine if Ronnie had a GOOD O-line. I firmly believe he would be right behind Peterson.

Imagine if we had an offense centered around Ronnie and not Chad.
 
RobertHorry said:
Thank you. Finally someone understands what Ronnie is and how good he is. Every single damn play he has to elude a defender in the backfield or 1 yard after he touches the ball. Everytime I see him touch the ball he is dodging defenders and RARELY ever has a clean hole to go through. Unlike Peterson who has about 4 holes to choose from every single play. Ricky is getting yardage from Jet sweeps and fake FB HB tosses. Whenever Ricy gets the ball through the middle of our O-line he is going down right away or barely gets any yardage whereas Ronnie is trucking people eluding people and what not. Imagine if Ronnie had a GOOD O-line. I firmly believe he would be right behind Peterson.

Imagine if we had an offense centered around Ronnie and not Chad.
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I agree with you, but sometimes Ronnie does miss open holes and makes the line look worse than it is. This doesn't happen often, but there are times where he tries to use his strength instead of his vision.
 
I love them both, however they have very different strengths and weaknesses.

Ricky is very agile and quick, he can change direction on a dime and make people miss, once he sees daylight Ricky has an incredible second gear and can take the ball to the house from anywhere on the field.

Ronnie, IMO, has the potential to be amazing, and he has shown flashes, but he seems way too tenative. Ronnie is build like a brick ****house, and can truck defenders out of their shoes. He is fast, but lacks that elite second gear that Ricky has.

I feel we use Ronnie incorrectly. We need him to take the handoff with a head of steam and just break his way across the line of scrimmage, rather than let him look for the hole. His size and strength generate an enormous amount of momentum and his leg strength is one of the best in the league (his legs are so strong he can carry 2 defenders on his back for several yards)

Who is better? Right now, Ricky, but that can change on a weekly basis.

Ronnie needs to stop trying to be an elusive back and just focus on powering his way up the field.

We need to use Ronnie and Ricky the way the Giants used Jacobs and Ward last year, Thunder and lightening - or is that earth, wind and fire (factoring in bradshaw).

Pound the rock with Ronnie and use Ricky as the change of pace shifty back. (Toss in Cobbs as the fire component to burn opponents on a play action pass)

The best thing about Ronnie Brown, and it has been said by NFL defenders, is that he wears them down. It hurts to tackle Ronnie Brown. We need to use that to our advantage.
 
I agree completely. people keep saying ronnie is inconsistent, or theyre waiting for him to breakout, but when has he really had the opportunity? he certainly wont be doing any breaking out with 5-10 carries a game. If you give the guy 20-25 carries game, and give him a few touches in the passing game, he will definantly be productive.

The only coach that did that was Cam, and had it not been for that freak knee injury, ronnie would have probably finished the season first in total yards from LOS. He's the type of back who gets stronger as the game goes on, and as the second half rolls around, defenders are tired of tackling this guy. unfortunately, ronnie doesnt get the consistent carries to punish, wear down defenses, and get into a rhythm or groove.

I love ricky but he's not the back he used to be, and should just be used as a change of pace back
 
Canadianfishfan said:
There will always be this debate until Ronnie gets 20+ carries a game. he may not be a Dolphin when he get's that opportunty.
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Question: Why do people think Ronnie isn't getting enough carries, but when someone asks why Henne can't play the answer is the coaches don't think he's rdy.

Is it so inconcievable to think that the coaches see these guys in practice every day and they don't think 20+ carries for Ronnie is going to be the best way to win as well???
 
FinsFan_In_Iraq said:
Question: Why do people think Ronnie isn't getting enough carries, but when someone asks why Henne can't play the answer is the coaches don't think he's rdy.

Is it so inconcievable to think that the coaches see these guys in practice every day and they don't think 20+ carries for Ronnie is going to be the best way to win as well???
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The statistics just don't support this arguement.....when Ronnie gets 20 plus carries....you can practically chalk up a "W"....

Especially when you have Chad Caretakington as the quarterback...
 
We don't use Ronnie enough. Sometimes I feel as if they fall in love with Ricky a little too much and use him a little too much. I am totally fine with Ricky getting carries and passes thrown his way, but Ronnie should be getting the definite majority unless Ricky is just totally outplaying him in a game. Ronnie has good hands and could even be split out wide as a receiver on some plays. I'd love to have Cobbs involved a little more, as well, but that is difficult when you have Ronnie and Ricky.
 
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