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OK, so Ronnie is averaging 15.75 rushing attempts per game. Premier backs, even on a passing team, usually average around 20 to 25 runs per game. For example: Edgerrin James is averaging just under 25 carries per game. Now if Ronnie got that many carries, which I think he should get about 20 - 25, Ronnie would have carried for almost 950 yards so far - and that's assuming that his YPC would remain the same, when in fact, it would probably have gone up and continue to rise.And if his total carries were to go up, his TD total would almost certainly rise as well.
This is what's so frustrating. We have a two headed beast, each beast easily can carry the ball 20 times each per game then we could throw about 15 to 20 times. But we have to set the tone early and take control early with the BIG Rs.
Basically what I'm saying is Ronnie Brown is and will be something special but isn't being given the opportunity to carry the ball like he should. This guy is powerful and can wear out a defense - as can Ricky. Why aren't we pounding the ball? WHy are we passing as much or more than running? It makes no sense. I realize Saban has no desire to play "wad-ball" But with these two backs and some creativity, I have yet to see any WAD-BALL. Spread out the defense and let Ronnie and Ricky beat the defense into submission with thier power and carry the ball about 20 times each. We'll get back into the win column - this week. New ENgland can't handle our two boys. Let's cut them lose and do with them what we should have been doing weeks ago: run it down their throats, pass when we WANT to, (yet occasionally), wear the defense out and let our two backs be seen for what they really are: THE PREMIER one-two punch in the NFL.

**Please note that there may be some exagerrating, but my general view and what the intents of this post is, is pretty clear.
 
the patriots have a good defense, we have a chance if we run the ball more and richard seymour stays on the bench again.
 
SCall13 said:
OK, so Ronnie is averaging 15.75 rushing attempts per game. Premier backs, even on a passing team, usually average around 20 to 25 runs per game. For example: Edgerrin James is averaging just under 25 carries per game. Now if Ronnie got that many carries, which I think he should get about 20 - 25, Ronnie would have carried for almost 950 yards so far - and that's assuming that his YPC would remain the same, when in fact, it would probably have gone up and continue to rise.And if his total carries were to go up, his TD total would almost certainly rise as well.
This is what's so frustrating. We have a two headed beast, each beast easily can carry the ball 20 times each per game then we could throw about 15 to 20 times. But we have to set the tone early and take control early with the BIG Rs.
Basically what I'm saying is Ronnie Brown is and will be something special but isn't being given the opportunity to carry the ball like he should. This guy is powerful and can wear out a defense - as can Ricky. Why aren't we pounding the ball? WHy are we passing as much or more than running? It makes no sense. I realize Saban has no desire to play "wad-ball" But with these two backs and some creativity, I have yet to see any WAD-BALL. Spread out the defense and let Ronnie and Ricky beat the defense into submission with thier power and carry the ball about 20 times each. We'll get back into the win column - this week. New ENgland can't handle our two boys. Let's cut them lose and do with them what we should have been doing weeks ago: run it down their throats, pass when we WANT to, yet occasionally, wear the defense out and let our two backs be seen for what they really are: THE PREMIER one-two punch in the NFL.

**Please note that there may be some exagerrating, but my general view and what the intents of this post is, is pretty clear.
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Great post!
 
How do you assume that his ypc would stay the same or even go up? The more carries a back has his ypc goes DOWN. That's why guys like Tatum Bell are actually better with LESS carries. While I think Ronnie can tote the rock for 20-25 carries per game, his ypc would never increase.
 
SCall13 said:
OK, so Ronnie is averaging 15.75 rushing attempts per game. Premier backs, even on a passing team, usually average around 20 to 25 runs per game. For example: Edgerrin James is averaging just under 25 carries per game. Now if Ronnie got that many carries, which I think he should get about 20 - 25, Ronnie would have carried for almost 950 yards so far - and that's assuming that his YPC would remain the same, when in fact, it would probably have gone up and continue to rise.And if his total carries were to go up, his TD total would almost certainly rise as well.
This is what's so frustrating. We have a two headed beast, each beast easily can carry the ball 20 times each per game then we could throw about 15 to 20 times. But we have to set the tone early and take control early with the BIG Rs.
Basically what I'm saying is Ronnie Brown is and will be something special but isn't being given the opportunity to carry the ball like he should. This guy is powerful and can wear out a defense - as can Ricky. Why aren't we pounding the ball? WHy are we passing as much or more than running? It makes no sense. I realize Saban has no desire to play "wad-ball" But with these two backs and some creativity, I have yet to see any WAD-BALL. Spread out the defense and let Ronnie and Ricky beat the defense into submission with thier power and carry the ball about 20 times each. We'll get back into the win column - this week. New ENgland can't handle our two boys. Let's cut them lose and do with them what we should have been doing weeks ago: run it down their throats, pass when we WANT to, (yet occasionally), wear the defense out and let our two backs be seen for what they really are: THE PREMIER one-two punch in the NFL.

**Please note that there may be some exagerrating, but my general view and what the intents of this post is, is pretty clear.
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Honestly I almost completely agree. I say 20 carries for Ronnie and 15 to 20 for Ricky. Same premise though. Good take. Then the pass becomes easier for Gus because it's more of a surprise and less players committed to it on a given play.
 
I think almost every person on the board has already agreed that we need to run more.
 
PhinzPhanatic said:
How do you assume that his ypc would stay the same or even go up? The more carries a back has his ypc goes DOWN. That's why guys like Tatum Bell are actually better with LESS carries. While I think Ronnie can tote the rock for 20-25 carries per game, his ypc would never increase.
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I said, at the end of my post, that there might be some exaggerations. BUT, let's take a look at why Ronnies YPC HAS risen to this point. He was averaging LESS than 3YPC for his first two games. THen he came out against Carolina and increased his YPC to a respectable 4 YPC by averaging 5.7 yards per carry in that game. THen, against Buffalo is also averaged 5.7 then against Tampa, it dropped down some. THen again, against KC, he averaged 11.9 YPC, which again increased his total YPC average.

Let's take ONE game, the KC game and say that, instead of running the ball ONLY 8 times for 95 yards at a clip of over 11 yards per carry, let's say he runs it 20 times for 160 yards which would have actually INCREASES his yards per carry even MORE than leaving it the way it was.
Then again, against Atlanta, Ronnie ran the ball only 12 times but for 67 yards at a clip of 5.6 yards per carry. So lets say Ronnie ran the ball 20 times against Atlanta and finished with an even 100 yards. Well, all of these occurences would have NOT have dropped his YPC, they would have increased his YPC even more and he'd be staring at a 5.2 or 5.4 YPC average. Of course this is all hypothetical. Ronnie's YPC WILL taper off somewhere. It is however, my opinion that Ronnie will finish the season with an average OVER 5 yards a carry and will exceed 1300 yards.
 
I think Ronnie's carries will increase, and I would rather of had him get 22 carries last week than Ronnie 12 and Ricky 10. For Ronnie to be most effective I think he needs 20-25 carries, but he is a rookie so if he got in the 17-20 range and Ricky got around 8 carries a game he would be much more effective. Ronnie is not a Tatum Bell type back so I don't think his ypc would go down, but if he got more carries eventhough he is not as effective in the first 3 quarters in the 4th he would be very hard to stop. The problem with that philosophy is that if the team is not in the game it will never work, but I think the Phins defense has the ability to keep them in most games.
 
SCall13 said:
OK, so Ronnie is averaging 15.75 rushing attempts per game. Premier backs, even on a passing team, usually average around 20 to 25 runs per game. For example: Edgerrin James is averaging just under 25 carries per game. Now if Ronnie got that many carries, which I think he should get about 20 - 25, Ronnie would have carried for almost 950 yards so far - and that's assuming that his YPC would remain the same, when in fact, it would probably have gone up and continue to rise.And if his total carries were to go up, his TD total would almost certainly rise as well.
This is what's so frustrating. We have a two headed beast, each beast easily can carry the ball 20 times each per game then we could throw about 15 to 20 times. But we have to set the tone early and take control early with the BIG Rs.
Basically what I'm saying is Ronnie Brown is and will be something special but isn't being given the opportunity to carry the ball like he should. This guy is powerful and can wear out a defense - as can Ricky. Why aren't we pounding the ball? WHy are we passing as much or more than running? It makes no sense. I realize Saban has no desire to play "wad-ball" But with these two backs and some creativity, I have yet to see any WAD-BALL. Spread out the defense and let Ronnie and Ricky beat the defense into submission with thier power and carry the ball about 20 times each. We'll get back into the win column - this week. New ENgland can't handle our two boys. Let's cut them lose and do with them what we should have been doing weeks ago: run it down their throats, pass when we WANT to, (yet occasionally), wear the defense out and let our two backs be seen for what they really are: THE PREMIER one-two punch in the NFL.

**Please note that there may be some exagerrating, but my general view and what the intents of this post is, is pretty clear.
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EDIT: I know now that this has already been pointed out, and I'm sure you knew before anyone told you, but (and I just like to hear myself talk)...

That's also assuming that if we carried the ball 25 times a game, that opposing defenses wouldn't be stacking the line against us and beating us down. For Edge, this isn't a problem because no one is going to blitz and stack the line against the Colts backfield -- NO ONE. Our willingness to pass the ball in spite of our ineptitude to complete them has opened up a running lane or two this season. Running the ball 25 times a game and averaging near 5 yards a carry is no simple feat.
 
serrat said:
the patriots have a good defense, we have a chance if we run the ball more and richard seymour stays on the bench again.
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No, they dont

They are only better than San Francisco.. i wouldnt exactly be calling the Patriots defense "good", they suck
 
the patriots' defense is better than what it's looked like. they've played some TOUGH offenses this year. chances are they'll look like super bowl champs against us
 
if the fins dont call enough run plays and gus plays at a low level, it doesnt matter how bad the defense is, but i do think they are better than the stats indicate.

from what i have seen of them, they dont hold the ball very long-putting pressure on the defense. sound familiar?
 
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