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YO!!! Off topic, Gene Upshaw is losing it. Read this...the guy is a fool.

Check this out on PFT.
UNION OPPOSES ROOKIE SALARY STRUCTURE

Posted by Mike Florio on April 22, 2008, 11:06 p.m.
NFL Players Association Executive Director Gene Upshaw must be feeling a lot more secure in his position than he did a week ago. Because Upshaw is officially on record as saying that he opposes a salary structure for incoming NFL players.
“Every year at this time, I hear it again,†Upshaw told Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports. “They don’t like how the rookies are paid. ‘They need some kind of pay scale.’ Well, I’m not going to limit how the rookies are paid because it has a huge impact on veterans. I’m not going to agree to it.â€
So how does paying a skyrocketing windfall to ten or so players who haven’t worn an NFL helmet since Halloween when they were six years old (yeah, we use that one from time to time . . . because we’re as cool as the other side of the pillow) help veterans?
In two ways, according to Upshaw. First, the huge payments made to certain rookies give veterans more leverage. Second, lower rookie pay would make rookies more attractive than veterans, pricing veterans out of jobs.
As to Upshaw’s first point, we don’t buy it. The big free-agency contracts each year are driven by other recent veteran contracts, not by rookie deals. Sure, the rookie deals might be getting so out of control that they’re becoming a factor in the negotiations for veteran free agents. But the notion that providing a lot of extra money to a few rookies is a good thing for all veterans is ridiculous; at best, it will help only the few who are signed to big-money deals on the first day of free agency.
Upshaw’s second point, with all due respect, makes no f–king sense.
“We have to have a system where every player has an equal chance to get a job,†Upshaw said. “We don’t want to get into a position where the league is keeping four or five rookies because it’s cheaper than keeping one or two veterans.â€
But, Gene, the problem isn’t with the second-day draft picks whose compensation won’t change at all if there is a formula used for setting the contracts for all rookies. Those guys will still get a signing bonus plus three or four years of minimum salaries. The focal point is the huge pile of money that gets paid to the small handful who happen to hear their names called early on the first day of the draft process.
Besides, Upshaw overlooks the system that was put in place earlier this decade to encourage teams to sign veterans. Though Cole makes reference to veterans “who make one of the varying minimum salaries,†the truth is that all players with four or more years of service are eligible to sign one-year contracts for increasing minimum salaries that entail an actual cost and a salary-cap charge of only $445,000 — even if the player is actually earning $820,000.
The reality is that a few agents (led by Tom Condon — who coincidentally represents Gene Upshaw) want to preserve their cut of these annual windfalls. Even if there’s merit to Upshaw’s argument that the huge dollars paid to a few rookies helps veterans, it will in reality help only a few of them each year, too.
Meanwhile, the interests of 90 percent of the players will be ignored. And, the last time we checked, it only took 50.1 percent of them to set policy for the union.
 
YO!!! Off topic, Gene Upshaw is losing it. Read this...the guy is a fool......

No wonder why some of the players are trying to get rid of Upshaw - he seems to be letting power get to his head and is maintaining too much of an adversarial relationship with the owners. Not that he should be getting cozy with the owners, but he should at least try to work with them for the benefit of both parties.

I totally disagree with his points and I'd have to wonder how the players feel that rookies are getting paid the outrageous amounts that they are, especially when the rookies haven't even played a down in the NFL. Also, I think that the outrageous rookie contracts could actually lead to more veterans being cut, since the outrageous amounts on rookie contracts prevent the rookies from being cut as easily (due to the tremendous cap hit the team takes if they cut them) even if they aren't performing better than a veteran player.
 
Upshaw is the ultimate paradox. His relationship with the League is the reason the NFL is so great and puts out a top-notch product. But at the same time, it screws the players. NFL players have the worst deal of any pro athletes who play team sports
 
upshaw is getting power hungry and will do anything to prevent him from losing his job
 
YO!!! Off topic, Gene Upshaw is losing it. Read this...the guy is a fool.

Check this out on PFT.
UNION OPPOSES ROOKIE SALARY STRUCTURE

Posted by Mike Florio on April 22, 2008, 11:06 p.m.
NFL Players Association Executive Director Gene Upshaw must be feeling a lot more secure in his position than he did a week ago. Because Upshaw is officially on record as saying that he opposes a salary structure for incoming NFL players.
“Every year at this time, I hear it again,†Upshaw told Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports. “They don’t like how the rookies are paid. ‘They need some kind of pay scale.’ Well, I’m not going to limit how the rookies are paid because it has a huge impact on veterans. I’m not going to agree to it.â€
So how does paying a skyrocketing windfall to ten or so players who haven’t worn an NFL helmet since Halloween when they were six years old (yeah, we use that one from time to time . . . because we’re as cool as the other side of the pillow) help veterans?
In two ways, according to Upshaw. First, the huge payments made to certain rookies give veterans more leverage. Second, lower rookie pay would make rookies more attractive than veterans, pricing veterans out of jobs.
As to Upshaw’s first point, we don’t buy it. The big free-agency contracts each year are driven by other recent veteran contracts, not by rookie deals. Sure, the rookie deals might be getting so out of control that they’re becoming a factor in the negotiations for veteran free agents. But the notion that providing a lot of extra money to a few rookies is a good thing for all veterans is ridiculous; at best, it will help only the few who are signed to big-money deals on the first day of free agency.
Upshaw’s second point, with all due respect, makes no f–king sense.
“We have to have a system where every player has an equal chance to get a job,†Upshaw said. “We don’t want to get into a position where the league is keeping four or five rookies because it’s cheaper than keeping one or two veterans.â€
But, Gene, the problem isn’t with the second-day draft picks whose compensation won’t change at all if there is a formula used for setting the contracts for all rookies. Those guys will still get a signing bonus plus three or four years of minimum salaries. The focal point is the huge pile of money that gets paid to the small handful who happen to hear their names called early on the first day of the draft process.
Besides, Upshaw overlooks the system that was put in place earlier this decade to encourage teams to sign veterans. Though Cole makes reference to veterans “who make one of the varying minimum salaries,†the truth is that all players with four or more years of service are eligible to sign one-year contracts for increasing minimum salaries that entail an actual cost and a salary-cap charge of only $445,000 — even if the player is actually earning $820,000.
The reality is that a few agents (led by Tom Condon — who coincidentally represents Gene Upshaw) want to preserve their cut of these annual windfalls. Even if there’s merit to Upshaw’s argument that the huge dollars paid to a few rookies helps veterans, it will in reality help only a few of them each year, too.
Meanwhile, the interests of 90 percent of the players will be ignored. And, the last time we checked, it only took 50.1 percent of them to set policy for the union.

Gene Upchuck is a moron. I havent liked him in the past and I dont like him now. There has to be some kind of realistic thought process he should be using, but there isnt. I can understand he is trying to get the best for the players, but lets be a little realistic here.
 
as strange as it sounds at first sight, the high rookie contracts are indeed helping the veterans. for one, proven vets want to be paid and looking at what other players at the same position are being paid is the starting point for contract negotiations. for two, the Transition and Franchise Tags are comprised of the top 10 paid players at the very position and any rookie picked in the top 5 will instantly make it into the top 10.
 
as strange as it sounds at first sight, the high rookie contracts are indeed helping the veterans. for one, proven vets want to be paid and looking at what other players at the same position are being paid is the starting point for contract negotiations. for two, the Transition and Franchise Tags are comprised of the top 10 paid players at the very position and any rookie picked in the top 5 will instantly make it into the top 10.


step into my office, cause you're fuggin fired. dude, why?

as to upshaw, i hate this guy. ever since the old retired players wanted medical help - which the NFL should provide no questions asked - and upshaw refused it - after being a player and knowing what they put themselves through, how it affected their bodies and minds, and what they got paid back then - he is nothing but a dirty politician to me. to turn your backs on people that could just as well be you was dispicable. i for one don't want politics in football, well, any more at least.
 
as strange as it sounds at first sight, the high rookie contracts are indeed helping the veterans. for one, proven vets want to be paid and looking at what other players at the same position are being paid is the starting point for contract negotiations. for two, the Transition and Franchise Tags are comprised of the top 10 paid players at the very position and any rookie picked in the top 5 will instantly make it into the top 10.

The franchise tagged players account for 1-2% of all players in the league. That leaves 98-99% of the players not benefiting.

Apparently there are also some veterans players that would disagree with you:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/23/players-want-rookie-pay-structure/

...A veteran player who requested anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the issue called us today, and said that the notion (perpetuated by Mort on Tuesday) that players don’t want to rein in the rookie wages at the top of the draft is “utterly absurd.â€...

...As we hear it, even one of the players who received in the past few years one of those high first-round rookie windfalls is in favor of slamming the door. And why wouldn’t he be? The player in question is now a member of the group of players who would have more money available to them for veteran deals, if the huge contracts to an annual handful of rookies are reduced dramatically.
Another factor in all of this is the locker-room dynamic. As the source explained, a kid who has been paid $30 million in guaranteed money has no reason to listen to anyone. Not the coach, not the veteran leadership, not the owner. The kid is essentially bulletproof. As long as he doesn’t do anything that gets him suspended for conduct detrimental to the team, he can do whatever he wants.....

...The real winners (and thus the real potential losers) in all of this are the agents who routinely are in the mix for the top players. For a rookie deal that averages only $5 million per year (and Jake Long is getting more than twice that annually), the maximum fee is $150,000, per year. If a firm like CAA has multiple players who are earning that rookie-deal money (e.g., Long, Vernon Gholston, Matt Ryan, Adrian Peterson, Mario Williams, Matt Leinart, Alex Smith, Cadillac Williams, Eli Manning, Roy Williams), a lot of money that would evaporate from the annual budget if a reasonable formula for the draft picks were installed in its place.
And since Upshaw is represented by CAA, there’s the real answer (in our opinion) as to why Upshaw is resisting change.
 
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