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Ross Making The Call On Dolphins Deadline Deals And Champ Kelly Is A Goner

phinsforlife said:
yes. that is correct. that is why howie roseman is smart. solves and issue for them now, and he bought a call option on someone with a lot of potential upside. heck, if phillips looks good, and the eagles cannot afford to keep him, they will end up with a third round comp pick when they lose him in FA, so they will have gotten him for almost nothing. or they can pay him and keep him. this is why howie roseman is smart. only way he loses is if phillips gets hurt (maybe) or sucks (doubt it my guess is he ends up looking really good there w that DL and fangio scheming him up).
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I don’t disagree with any of that. Howie Roseman being a good GM doesn’t make this a bad trade for us though
 
A1. said:
I don’t disagree with any of that. Howie Roseman being a good GM doesn’t make this a bad trade for us though
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that is correct too. but i know who i would bet on to come out looking smarter at the end of the day. we shall see.
and again i am being consistent, i said i wanted more than a third.
i realize you are being consistent too, you said you will take a third.
i respect your opinion too.
we shall see.
 
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A1. said:
I don’t disagree with any of that. Howie Roseman being a good GM doesn’t make this a bad trade for us though
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Eagles land Edge Phillips from Dolphins​

Eagles get: Edge Jaelan Phillips
Dolphins get: 2026 third-round pick

Eagles grade: A-
Dolphins grade: B-

In the offseason, the Eagles looked like a team that could weather losing Josh Sweat to free agency and Brandon Graham to retirement. Half a season later, the vibe had shifted. A triceps injury landed Nolan Smith Jr. on injured reserve -- and he hadn't been particularly effective in the three games he did play. Za'Darius Smith surprisingly retired after five games. And Jalyx Hunt hasn't taken the step the Eagles hoped, with an 8.9% pass rush win rate at edge that ranks 41st out of 49 qualifiers at the position. Joshua Uche has been possibly better than expected as a fill-in, but he is just that -- a depth player who can flash now and again. Patrick Johnson and Azeez Ojulari (now also on IR) have been in the mix, too.

Even though Smith could return from injury soon and Graham is coming out of retirement, the Eagles felt -- and with good reason -- that adding talent at edge rusher was a priority and made a move for Phillips, a good pass rusher in the final year of his contract. Injuries hampered Phillips' career with the Dolphins. He suffered season-ending injuries to his Achilles and ACL in 2023 and 2024, respectively. But when he has been on the field, Phillips has always been quite impressive. He recorded 8.5 sacks as a rookie and then followed that up with a 7.0-sack season in 2022 in which he boasted a 23.9% pass rush win rate at edge that ranked fifth at the position that season. He has a 17.1% pass rush win rate at edge for his career and is at 16.5% this season, both a shade above average.

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Considering his track record and that he's getting back to form after his ACL injury, I think it's reasonable for the Eagles to expect him to be little better than that in the second half of the season. Phillips also generally scores well in run stop win rate, and that has particularly been the case this season, when his 30.5% RSWR at edge ranks 11th among edge rushers.

There's a pretty decent chance Phillips is a rental. He's currently playing on his $13.25 million fifth-year option. While that means he might well be a stop-gap solution for Philadelphia, it opens up the pretty strong possibility that Phillips could leave in free agency and net Philly a compensatory pick (perhaps a fourth-rounder, just like Sweat is projected to earn the Eagles, according to OverTheCap). The Eagles have $23.8 million in cap space next year (per OverTheCap), so while they could make some signings, they probably won't be huge players in free agency, thus making the comp pick quite likely.

Framed in those terms -- a 2026 third-round pick and around $6.6 million for half a season of Phillips and a likely 2027 fourth-round pick -- this seems well worth it. The Eagles are true Super Bowl contenders, so the leverage on patching up any weakness is high. Anything that moves the needle on probability of a Lombardi Trophy is valuable.

The Dolphins are currently $11.9 million over the cap next year (though they would save a lot if they part ways with Tyreek Hill) and would also not be expected to be major free agency players next spring. But they absolutely did the right thing in dealing away Phillips. There's no guarantee he stays healthy the rest of the way nor any guarantee of how free agency will go (and therefore no guarantee of a compensatory pick). And the rest of 2025 is lost for Miami. The Dolphins needed to secure draft capital and save a few million in cap space while they can.

I would have expected the Dophins to net just slightly more for Phillips given the prospect of the compensatory pick for any team acquiring him, though. Last year at this time, receiver Amari Cooper was traded to the Bills for a third-round pick along with a sixth- and seventh-round pick swap. Granted, Cooper's deal cost the Bills almost no money, but he also was not as good of a player at the time as Phillips is now. Even so, if I had been the Dolphins and knew this was the best offer on the table, I would have taken it without hesitation.
 
phinsforlife said:
If new GM does not fire McDaniel, we will have hired another chump!
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Pretty sure that will be a mandate from Ross. Which means any highly talented upcoming or older GM will not want the job. Imagine tying your success to a coach you didn’t choose and who seems to be on a path of failure… who would want this gig except someone who just wants the title
 
Dorfdad said:
Pretty sure that will be a mandate from Ross. Which means any highly talented upcoming or older GM will not want the job. Imagine tying your success to a coach you didn’t choose and who seems to be on a path of failure… who would want this gig except someone who just wants the title
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agree and am worried about that. we will see if the zebra changes its stripes
 
Adding to the Dolphins mosaic of suck, Phillips, Chop & Chubb combined have 15 sacks in the last two seasons.

Van Ginkle has 13.5 by himself. And is not even paid that much.
 
phinsforlife said:
Young, but could part ways with if someone offers an overpay out of desperation at the deadline and offers us more than we would expect we would get in the offseason (or we might lose for nothing or not much in the way of a comp pick in two years): ..... Personally I wouldn't do Phillips, because of his age and the importance of the position. The expected value of a 3rd rounder is less than the production Phillips gives you. So need more than that. There is a reason smart teams like the Eagles are interested in him. It would be so Miami to deal Phillips, and keep Chubb.
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Mighty powerful crystal ball you have there.

That move was SOOOO MIAMI
 
sadly it is what might be the last 3rd rounder in the draft, so it is closer to a 4th than a 3rd. they have another pick at the top of the 3rd. good old champ and ross were not able to negotiate for that one. and we are paying phillips on top of it, and this is the best these guys could do. everyone knows the dolphins are a pushover:

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Eagles trade third-round pick for Dolphins edge defender Jaelan Phillips

Looking to bolster their edge rush and overall defense, the Eagles made their third trade since Wednesday for a defensive player in acquiring former Dolphins EDGE Jaelen Phillips
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