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This ain't really Fins related but it's been on my mind since Lawrence got destroyed by a defense player while sliding. That dude got completely destroyed by the media and I feel like he got a raw deal, like pretty much every defense players these days. They got all those rules protecting QBs and Im fine with that.

Problem is, QBs have started to use these rules to their advantage on top of it... I don't watch every games but I've seen Mahomes and Allen( there are most probably others doing it, just haven't seen it) on occasion faking either going out of bounds or sliding only to just stay in the field of play and keep on going.

Then you've got Lawrence legit going for a slide and he gets crushed by the defender. Nevermind if you think this was legit a dirty ass play or just a defender stuck between a rock and a hard place, I feel like faking the end of a play where you're using rules in place to protect you should be an unsportsmanlike conduct. It's flat out not fair to the defense.

Am I crazy or?
 
NBP81 said:
This ain't really Fins related but it's been on my mind since Lawrence got destroyed by a defense player while sliding. That dude got completely destroyed by the media and I feel like he got a raw deal, like pretty much every defense players these days. They got all those rules protecting QBs and Im fine with that.

Problem is, QBs have started to use these rules to their advantage on top of it... I don't watch every games but I've seen Mahomes and Allen( there are most probably others doing it, just haven't seen it) on occasion faking either going out of bounds or sliding only to just stay in the field of play and keep on going.

Then you've got Lawrence legit going for a slide and he gets crushed by the defender. Nevermind if you think this was legit a dirty ass play or just a defender stuck between a rock and a hard place, I feel like faking the end of a play where you're using rules in place to protect you should be an unsportsmanlike conduct. It's flat out not fair to the defense.

Am I crazy or?
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Mahomes has done it like 5 times at least and one of them was in a playoff game, where he gained like another 40 yards bc of "pretending" to go out of bounds and then turning up field.
 
MrChadRico said:
Mahomes has done it like 5 times at least and one of them was in a playoff game, where he gained like another 40 yards bc of "pretending" to go out of bounds and then turning up field.
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This is just not what these rules were built for... QBs flopping like they just got sniped from the stands for a slight touch to the head is not what these rules were built for, faking to slide to get a defender to let up is not football... Sure they'll get the rewards short term. But long term, defenders wil just start ignoring their fakes and crush them anyway... Which is the exact opposite of what these rules are trying to accomplish to begin with...
 
That hit on Lawrence was beyond a dirty hit from a player who has the reputation for playing dirty. TL was already sliding before he launched head first.

I agree with you bro on the premise of the thread, it is not fair to fake a surrender move and then not complete it. I believe it warrants a flag. I'm not sure how many yards would be fair, but it needs to be reviewed and flagged. It is not fair at all for any defenders.
 
cullenbigcstill said:
That hit on Lawrence was beyond a dirty hit from a player who has the reputation for playing dirty. TL was already sliding before he launched head first.

I agree with you bro on the premise of the thread, it is not fair to fake a surrender move and then not complete it. I believe it warrants a flag. I'm not sure how many yards would be fair, but it needs to be reviewed and flagged. It is not fair at all for any defenders.
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Unsportsmanlike conduct. 15 yards.
 
cullenbigcstill said:
That hit on Lawrence was beyond a dirty hit from a player who has the reputation for playing dirty. TL was already sliding before he launched head first.

I agree with you bro on the premise of the thread, it is not fair to fake a surrender move and then not complete it. I believe it warrants a flag. I'm not sure how many yards would be fair, but it needs to be reviewed and flagged. It is not fair at all for any defenders.
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It's literally unsportsmanlike conduct imo... 15 yards sounds fair.

edit: the rules they're using to their advantage are all 15 yard penalties.
 
You're not wrong
You are going to have more situations like Trevor Lawrence thanks to QBS like Allen and Mahomes.

Hope the NFL, and their utmost concern for player safety are ready.

This is why I personally am not as impressed with QBS like Allen . I mean kudos to him and Mahomes for utilizing the rules. But it's not impressive when you see Allen bust off a 30 yard run. Hear Romo go ballistic. But realize 2 defenders pulled up allowing the 30 yards in fear of a penalty.

We saw it 1st hand in our game against the Chiefs in the playoffs last year
 
gofins60 said:
IMO, there should be no sliding rule for QBs. If the QB takes off running, then he's fair game to get crushed, slide or no slide.
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that would make it easy, either he goes down essentially giving himself up or he gets nailed. Much easier to officiate and would eliminate all that's happening regarding officiating with running QBs
 
You try and kill the QB. That's the point of the game...always has been.

You'll never get rid of this cancer of QBs "breaking" defenses with their legs unless you punish them fiercely. It'll never go away within the regular season. It's just a thing that mobility at the QB position will force upon the league. It's just not worth the potential fines in the regular season. You'll have a LB making $2M a year losing a quarter of his salary in fines if he's going around blowing up QBs.

But come Playoff time, F the fines. You're getting paid extra to be there and your season is on the line.

You kill him if you get a look. You put every ounce of weight on him you can in the event of a sack. You slam him as hard as you can when he's in your grasp. You're trying to knock him out of the game every chance you can.

You tackle him as hard as you possibly can every chance he presents running downfield. And if there's any question on the sidelines you blow him up. Heck tackle him as he's going out of bounds anyway. You simply must enforce the point that he's in danger when outside the pocket.

People cried the same way about WRs getting unfair protections until defensive backs learned they could be more physical in big games when it was allowed. You just have to do it out of the gates. They won't call PI on every play, just like they won't throw a flag on every QB hit.

QBs won't stop running until they fear their season is on the line.

Every QB goes home a multi-millionaire at the end of the day. Even the bad QBs are making more than most defenders. My sympathy for QBs is 0.

Moreover, football as a sport doesn't work the same way if QBs are allowed (let alone encouraged) to run downfield.

Bro....F QBs. They deserve every brutal hit they get when scrambling. The whole point of football is that you're not supposed to do that if you're a QB. It's not a "hack" so much as it's breaking the unspoken rule of football.

I root for every defensive player to lay a brutal hit when given the chance so long as it's not aiming at knees or some meaningless regular season game.

If you're above the knees, it's not dirty.
 
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Absolutely agree. I 100 percent understand protecting the quarterback, but when they are outside the pocket they should be treated like every other football player and subject to getting hit like everyone else.

Those fake out plays are unfair.

Unfortunately, this is one of the most inconsistent calls too. The really good quarterbacks get too much protection, the bottom tier guys not enough.
 
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