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Ryan Clady, OT -- Boise State
The Boise State junior did not participate at the combine but turned in a first-round performance at his pro day. Clady ran times of 5.20 seconds after tipping the scales at 311 pounds. His three-cone time of 7.05 seconds eclipsed that of any offensive linemen at the combine by almost a half-second. He also looked good in position drills.




http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/03/07/risers.sliders/index.html

I admit, haven't watched this guy play. But I have seen Jake Long play several times, and I would NOT be happy with the guy if we took him in the first 10 picks. The guy is not a great pass protector IMO...I don't think he has the greatest feet...or just seems stiff. I get blasted for it by the Jake Long bandwagon...sorry guys it shows up in games I do know that. I'm not saying I wouldn't be happy with the guy (just not in the top ten and not unless for some crazy reason Bill thinks Carey is going to be an All-pro LT)

What I don't know is What Clady looks like in games. But I would bet based on the above info that he looks pretty damn good. Now I don't know how strong the guy is or if He does the other things needed of a tackle. But I think the info above is VERY telling. This guy at least has the natural ability seemingly to be a REALLY good one. In a lateral agility drill He was A WHOLE .5 SECONDS FASTER THAN THE FIELD??? That is incredible! what is that 7% better than anyone? that is like the difference between a guy that runs a 4.3 forty and a guy that runs a 4.6 forty. Only, the guy running the 4.3 is THE ONLY ONE THAT DOES IT!! and NOBODY ELSE RUNS FASTER THAN 4.6!!! that is a BIG DEAL!!

I think for you guys clamoring for a LEFT TACKLE, perhaps you should just change the guy you focus on. Perhaps Boomer or somebody with knowledge of this guy can shed some light on Clady.

Hell I'll even jump on the Bandwagon if it means we trade down a couple times, and pick up a bunch of picks and still end up with the guy in the first round (provided everything else stacks up!!!)

thoughts? :up:
 
fishypete said:
I highly doubt that Clady ran a 7.05 three cone drill. When you look at the best time at the combine...that 7.05 would have to be as good as a slow linebacker or slow tight end.

I tend to believe that is a false number.

Here's the link to the combine's best...just hit the 3 cone and see for yourself.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers

Here's another link...darn good draft site...they don't have that info either;

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/pdleaders.php?draftyear=2008
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My point EXACTLY....Clady's athleticism translates better to the position. Sports Illustrated not only published it they TALKED about it. So you want to take it up with somebody - take it up with them. I'm gonna go ahead and believe it for now...cause I can't time the guy....and who is to say that ANY combine number that is published it accurate....can only go on the info provided.
 
afishfan said:
My point EXACTLY....Clady's athleticism translates better to the position. Sports Illustrated not only published it they TALKED about it. So you want to take it up with somebody - take it up with them. I'm gonna go ahead and believe it for now...cause I can't time the guy....and who is to say that ANY combine number that is published it accurate....can only go on the info provided.
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If the info is wrong...whats the sense of talking about it. Clady is too weak...he's a finese tackle.
 
fishypete said:
If the info is wrong...whats the sense of talking about it. Clady is too weak...he's a finese tackle.
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The info ISNT WRONG dude....the link is provided. It's a sports illustrated article THAT NOT ONLY LISTS THE TIME BUT TALKS ABOUT HIS PERFORMANCE being significantly BETTER than ANY other lineman. Talk to sports illustrated if you want....the one link you provided...lists proday results for schools like Toledo, and Miami of Ohio....I'm glad some guard ran a 8 second cone drill!!! .... what on earth does it have to do with Clady's time????

Wiston Justice looks great....glad he got picked.... seems like a great value spot for a guy like Jake....but Clady timed much faster than Justice even, Justice was picked last year, and ISN"T a part of THIS discussion....unless you can show me HOW in some way...his place in the draft, his times, SOMETHING that corresponds to the discussion about Jake Long and Ryan Clady.
 
afishfan said:
The info ISNT WRONG dude....the link is provided. It's a sports illustrated article THAT NOT ONLY LISTS THE TIME BUT TALKS ABOUT HIS PERFORMANCE being significantly BETTER than ANY other lineman. Talk to sports illustrated if you want....the one link you provided...lists proday results for schools like Toledo, and Miami of Ohio....I'm glad some guard ran a 8 second cone drill!!! .... what on earth does it have to do with Clady's time????

Wiston Justice looks great....glad he got picked.... seems like a great value spot for a guy like Jake....but Clady timed much faster than Justice even, Justice was picked last year, and ISN"T a part of THIS discussion....unless you can show me HOW in some way...his place in the draft, his times, SOMETHING that corresponds to the discussion about Jake Long and Ryan Clady.
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If you look to see...Clady already ran...and he didn't make that list...hence...he's times weren't better than the ones on the list. Clady timed much faster?...same weight...same size...Clady ran a 5.18 pro-day...Justice ran a 5.16 Pro-day.

By the way...I would bet that sports illustrated isn't at the pro-days....so where did they get that?
 
Why not pick up the best o-lineman available (Jake Long) rather than hoping that other cheaper less talented guys might do the job? This is what we always seem to do at QB spot as well.....taking less talented players and hoping they may get the job done. I think we should just draft Jake Long and forget about it.
 
Roman529 said:
Why not pick up the best o-lineman available (Jake Long) rather than hoping that other cheaper less talented guys might do the job? This is what we always seem to do at QB spot as well.....taking less talented players and hoping they may get the job done. I think we should just draft Jake Long and forget about it.
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Well...um cause that's my point...Jake Long isn't the best tackle available that works for us for one thing. IF...and that's a BIG IF....we took a tackle at the top of the draft...and I don't know if Clady grades out high enough....but IF we did take a tackle it would be Clady after a trade down...forget about Jake Long! He ISN'T WORTH THE PICK THERE ARE MUCH BETTER PLAYERS THAT FIT FOR US....WE DONT NEED ANOTHER RIGHT TACKLE
 
one thing I'm sure we can all agree upon - April 26th can't get here soon enough :)
 
Fishy Pete how is Clady too weak? I realize Long is tremendously strong but Joe Thomas was no incredible strength freak.
 
Jaj said:
Fishy Pete how is Clady too weak? I realize Long is tremendously strong but Joe Thomas was no incredible strength freak.
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He could barely lift 24 reps at 225...and hurt himself doing so...He's not Olive Oil...but geez...you can't lift weights after being in football. Didn't Quinn lift that much last year...and he's a QB.
 
fishypete said:
If you look to see...Clady already ran...and he didn't make that list...hence...he's times weren't better than the ones on the list. Clady timed much faster?...same weight...same size...Clady ran a 5.18 pro-day...Justice ran a 5.16 Pro-day.

By the way...I would bet that sports illustrated isn't at the pro-days....so where did they get that?
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I guess you are not able to grasp the essential part of the the discussion here. I don't get it. I've tried to explain to you time and again. For some reason, you seem unable to take the valid portion of the discussion and focus on it, OR if you ACTUALLY have a point you wish to discuss TO BRING THAT POINT UP, make the comparison, and WHY your information on a particular player lend weight to the evaluation.

In this case, I pointed out A SPORTS ILLUSTARTED ARTICLE that TALKS about his time in the THREE CONE DRILL (not the forty) the THREE CONE DRILL....which I'll try to find a video of what that drill is for you. It tests a players agility/ lateral mobility. it IMO is the most telling measure for a LEFT TACKLE at the combine/proday. It demonstrates their ability to move their feet and get into position to block a defender...IN OTHERWORDS THEY DONT END UP OUT OF POSITION, GETTING BEAT OFF THE EDGE LIKE JAKE LONG DOES, BECAUSE they are good enough ATHLETE to get there.

The article points out how CLADY was not JUST A LITTLE BETTER, but SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER than ALL LINEMAN TESTED. I even broke it down for you and put it into terms of your beloved 40 times above (40 times? for a lineman???? really? do lineman run 40 yards down field everyplay? is there something I missed???) 40 times are insignificant for a lineman unless for some reason one of them ran EXCEPTIONALLY FAST or EXCEPTIONALLY SLOW -otherwise they don't mean ****.

It just so happens in this case, CLADY did his THREE CONE DRILL EXCEPTIONALLY FAST. like the difference between your boy long running something like a 4.6 forty and clady running a 4.3 - if that could translate...thats how the percentages work. In addtion...nobody would have been running a 4.4 or 4.5 etc.....everybody would have run a 4.6 and ONLY CLADY the 4.3...that's a big difference. See it's a GAP in athleticism between Clady and the field. I don't know what Clady looks like in games...it's my guess he stands out. I do know that Jake Long looks like he only has AVERAGE mobility in games...he's not the most fluid dude man sorry. and the times back it up.

As for Winston Justice glad you like him to and want to go look at him for some reason you have yet to point out. But since he has already been a second round pick and did his drills faster than JAKE LONG - thank you for bringing that to my attention....can we please stick to LONG vs CLADY?

unless of course you DO HAVE A POINT TO ANYTHING YOU POST that lends insight into anyone of these guys?

love the banter bro - but come on man work with me here....give me a REASON to love JAKE LONG other than something obscure like HE LOVES COOKIES!!!
 
I would take Clady over Jake Long but only if my offensive line coach was sure that Clady would develop his full potential. Long is more ready now but I think Clady will be better in three years. Clady has to get a lot stronger up top
 
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