Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by DKphin, Jun 6, 2018.
its only fair...
I agree. I've a;ways said that Thill is not some franchise saving QB that some on this board make him out to be. Ryan is an average to maybe a little above average QB. We'll see if he can remain healthy. There is nothing going on other than the OTA. The video is just to satisfy my Dolphin fix.
After watching that, all I have to say is....no one can get behind a defense like White Lightning.
He has taken his sweet-*** time developing, I think he is ready and better than a just above average QB....going into the top 10 this year
Here we go...
He can make the throws. Couple things I've noticed. Hartline has great hands but lacks speed. I don't miss Wallace. Our o line was terrible
You misspelled "hate."
why do some posters have to sh t on everything or anything positive.
It's funny - two of my best friends are Panthers and Seahawks fans. That throw at :54 was just stupid. He was going to get impaled, and he knew it, so he couldn't step into the throw. All arm, and it went right through Wallace's hands. I was watching it with my Panthers friend, turned to him and said, "There are people on the site I go to who are going to blame that on Tannehill." He looked at me and said, "Then they're idiots. We should have lost that game."
Edit: Looking at it again, he did step into it, but he definitely had to shorten the step. Still a hell of a throw.
I have often asked why the intestinal flu exists. I have yet to get a satisfactory answer.
This is another area where Ryan has improved as his career has developed. Being able to connect with receivers for the TD outside of the red zone. In 2012 thru 2014 he was only able to connect 13 times which forced the Dolphins to complete long drives to score points. In 2015 and 2016 alone he connected 17 times outside the red zone for a big improvement in long TD's. Overall the 30 TD passes outside the red zone is still very low compared to other QB's but the fact that the last few years are improved give me hope the upward trend can continue. You really need those long TD's to get your scoring average up to the league average.
The hater video seems like it's all from early in his career
Most of these are passes that were being thrown away, or a defender got a piece of, you can easily create a video of these types of from any QB.
On the other hand, the 1st video that showed how good Tannehill can throw deep when given time (even when not given enough time with a few of them), it show ridiculously perfectly placed passes, that you can't create a video with just any QB.
Tannehill can make all the trows and for some reason that bothers some people here
Most of it is. Which is fine. He definitely needed work on the deep ball early on. He fixed a lot of things in the first four years of his career, with an absolute **** job of setting him up for success, and a worse job of protecting him. It's commendable that he's done as well as he has for that alone; he was abused nearly as bad as David Carr, and has had a better career by far.
This reminds me of the lion king except its the circle of Ryan...god I hope he either sucks and we replace him or he plays excellent so the ryan haters and ryan riders can call a cease fire.
It'll never happen. The only way this argument ends is for Tannehill to lead the team deep into the playoffs over the next few years. Otherwise the debate of "Can the Fins do it with Tannehill as the QB" will turn into a debate of "Why didn't the Fins do it with Tannehill as the QB." And that argument will never end.
You could make a video from every single quarterback in NFL history missing easy throws.
Some of the throws above are actually smart plays. Some of the coverage is super tight and the ball is played where it only had a chance to be completed or incomplete, not intercepted.
And really, one of the ****ing clips you use is an incomplete hail mary at the end of a half? lmao
To your point, that video was a "compilation" of 2015.
Here's a deep throw chart and grading of NFL QB for 2015.
These videos are history, Ryan's past performances. One is nice to watch, the other is cringe worthy. What really matters is how he does it this year. Will he have touch on the ball after so long off? The answer will made clear after we start playing other team's defenses.
It should be noted that the QB's are ranked in terms of accuracy and NOT results in this picture. By accuracy 9th, By results 17th (TD Passes)
Read the thread and quit over reacting. I did praise Ryan for his improvement. Geese.
Notes that became evident from the video:
Brian Hartline was good for us
Mike Wallace is a scrub
DeVante Parker is going to ball this season
Kenny Stills is our most consistent deep threat
Ryan Tannehill looked impressive in an area he was deficient in early in his career. I disliked RT17 early on but he won me over his last season where he led us to the playoffs, playing with accuracy and poise in the pocket, while being attacked from all angles due to our horrid o-line. To me, the only remaining deficiency in his game is his pocket awareness and escapability. If he can improve in this area, he could very well become a very good quarterback.
I have been Critical of Tannehill but a lot of those passes were merely throw aways, a handful were missed throws but the rest never had a chance to be completed. The WRs were blanketed on a lot of those.
Why on Earth would you thin someone's overreaction...was to you?
Because it followed my remark immediately. But back on topic.
While the long TD's isn't a tell all stat for all teams it does seem to be significant for the Dolphins.
In 2016 we scored 30 or more points 6 times. In each of those games there was a long TD to help us achieve the better than average scoring production. 5 of those games was a long TD pass and the other was an Ajayi long run. It's nice to start seeing some those finally.
I agree there were some throws it looked like he was throwing it away, had no choice based on coverage.
One of the best deep passes he threw in his career was at the end of that Panthers game in 2013. Threw a miracle bomb to Mike Wallace on the goal line and of course, Mike misplayed the ball in the air and fell on his dumb ***.
That reel didn't even include clips from 2016 like the game vs the Chargers where he made like 4 incredible deep throws in the game.
Hartline didn't lack speed. He ran a 4.5 40 and was a track star at Ohio State. Yes, Wallace was terrible.
what about the pass to Parker at the end of the Rams game in 2016?
So the haters collaborate! Lol..
No, it's not "only fair..." you have a clear agenda here.
it's definitely fair to post that. But even with that post, the pros much outweigh the cons as some of the "lowlights" weren't even his fault and you never know if some of those were the receiver's fault. Many of those throws look like they were from his rookie year as well.
No, if the poster wanted to post it then do so in another thread. It was only posted here to serve to derail this thread from the OPs original premise.