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Shouright

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The term "player's coach" is typically used to describe a guy who is easy to get along with and is "chummy" with the players. I'm not sure how "chummy" Dave Wannstedt was with the players, but I'd say in some ways he was a player's coach -- he typically backed his players and stayed with them through thick and thin.

This was also his downfall for reasons I'll explain below.

I think one of DW's primary mistakes as a coach was that he was too much a player's coach. He stayed with guys too long. Although it created a feeling of loyalty between him and the players, which was positive, I think it also created a feeling of unaccountability among the players, which was negative.

For example, how many times do you think the good players (Zach Thomas) became frustrated that, no matter how many times other guys made mistakes, they were hardly ever benched? In other words, how'd you like to be a good player and have your solid efforts (and those of the whole team) continually undermined by guys who aren't held accountable for their poor play?

Saban does the opposite of this. He finishes the season and says publicly that we need an upgrade at QB. You think Wannstedt would've ever done that? He brings in Mike Mularkey and, regardless of how accomplished Mularkey is as a coach, says Mularkey will use the Dolphins' system, not his own, so that the players can have more continuity. He benches first-round picks like Vernon Carey and free agent signings like Stockar McDougle when they aren't playing well. He cuts Heath Evans and brings in Darian Barnes for toughness on offense. He says he'll be using the rest of a trashed season to evaluate guys to determine if they're Miami Dolphins material. And the list goes on.

These kinds of moves, however subtle, IMO create a feeling of excitement among the good players, the players who go out and give their all and truly want a Super Bowl ring, no matter what they're paid -- the players who put the team in front of their individual accomplishments.

By contrast, although Wannstedt could be called more of a player's coach in the traditional sense, I think many of his moves created a feeling of safety and security among the bad players on the team. No matter how poorly they played, they were typically assured their same role on the team. Unfortunately I think that sapped the resolve of the good players after a while. You can only have your efforts undermined for so long without seeing a change before you basically throw in the towel.

The take home message is that I think we got a real winner here guys. I can only imagine how excited the Zach Thomases on the team are about next year. I know I am.
 
good post! I agree. To take it one step farther, the type of players that Saban is looking for, are going to start looking for him. THAT should be the quintesential defenition of a player's coach ;)

Saban has started a ball rolling htat will lead to a group of dedicated players (a team) rahther tahn a select few who stick around because they are comfortable with teh coach.
 
Very good read! Couldnt agree with you more shou. I always hear the analyst say, "wait till saban gets 'HIS TYPE OF PLAYERS" Those are the guys like Thomas Taylor and those guys who want a SB at any price. It doesnt matter how much talent you have, if you cant buy into the system and understand the team concept, you wont play here. Real keeper we got here in Saban. Couldnt be happier.
 
Excellent post, good points. The moment I heard that man speak (his intro press conf.) I knew this guy was special. He has only exceeded my very HIGH expectations of him....I know its way too soon but in my opinion he is our next Shula.
 
I agree about how hard it was during the Wannstedt years because there was never any kind of accountability for making mistakes. As you pointed out, McDougald, Carey, and a couple of others were benched and made an example of when then performed poorly... When players know they can't just show up and play poorly and still pick up a paycheck... it changes their attitude and makes them work harder. Saban is certainly a players coach
 
Good post and good point. Saban is a players coach to the point where he wants to set up his players to be as successful as they can.
 
Great point! I think you are right on. I get the feeling that Saban is the type of coach that players want to play for "players coach" but do so because they feel he is going to take them somewhere. I am all about Nick Saban. I think that he is going to be an excellent coach for many reasons. I don't put as much stock in him as most saying things like what ever decesion he make is good for the team, but I do think he is on the right track. To this point he has been a great blend of great attributes,
 
shouright said:
For example, how many times do you think the good players (Zach Thomas) became frustrated that, no matter how many times other guys made mistakes, they were hardly ever benched? In other words, how'd you like to be a good player and have your solid efforts (and those of the whole team) continually undermined by guys who aren't held accountable for their poor play?

Thats why communism didnt work.
 
Very good post, although I can't imagine the word subtle being applied to Nick Saban. Nothing he does is subtle, including calling the receiving corps decent, which is something you didn't mention. I would call that a midseason slap shot, intentional and productive

Saban simply knows what he is doing and exudes that trait with every decision. Even the ones that don't work out make sense, like a big RT in Stockar McDougal for a bargain price.

My only knock is his relationship with the media, disdain bordering on confrontational. He thinks that is the wise move but it is not. He accuses these guys of trying to stir things up but that's high ignorant hilarity because media types are notorious butt kissers. They get fed by the team and often travel with the team and get chummy with the team and anyone involved with it. The vast majority simply want normal access so they can do one or two simpleton interviews every day and write the accompanying simpleton article.

These are middleaged pampered guys, for the most part. They only get steamed and look to make trouble if the team/coach goes out of the way to limit access and therefore make the job more difficult. At that point naturally they look for sources outside the organization for info, and that's what leads to misinformation and potential turmoil. Saban is creating his own vicious circle and doesn't even realize it.
 
Who's Zach Thomas??...... :D JK.

Seriously, good thread. It doesn't seem to end, the upside of the Saban hire. He is a good coach on so many levels. I think no matter his decisions we will be moving in the right direction. I love Zach and JT and players such as them, but if Saban decided it was in the teams best interest to trade them, I would be ok with it. Now I'm not saying he would, but my point is Saban would do so only if it was truly what was best for the team and ultimately a decision to move the team forward. Would I feel the same about Wanny?? Hell no!!

I don't know what we as fans did to deserve this guy, but I'm glad he held out and waited for just the right team to come along. I also don't think we honestly appreciate WH enough and what he's done to ensure success for this team and their fans. He is as much to blame for Saban as anybody and should get the credit for bringing him in. First class team, first class organizarion and first class fans. We are truly lucky to be Fin fans. :dolphins:
 
Very nice post...

I do agree being a player's coach lead DW to his down fall...

But I tend to disagree with you on Saban being a "players coach"...

By everything shown, he seems to be a "team coach"...where the "whole" (team) seems to be the main focus, rather than the "parts" (players) of it's sum...
 
shouright said:
The term "player's coach" is typically used to describe a guy who is easy to get along with and is "chummy" with the players. I'm not sure how "chummy" Dave Wannstedt was with the players, but I'd say in some ways he was a player's coach -- he typically backed his players and stayed with them through thick and thin.

This was also his downfall for reasons I'll explain below.

I think one of DW's primary mistakes as a coach was that he was too much a player's coach. He stayed with guys too long. Although it created a feeling of loyalty between him and the players, which was positive, I think it also created a feeling of unaccountability among the players, which was negative.

For example, how many times do you think the good players (Zach Thomas) became frustrated that, no matter how many times other guys made mistakes, they were hardly ever benched? In other words, how'd you like to be a good player and have your solid efforts (and those of the whole team) continually undermined by guys who aren't held accountable for their poor play?

Saban does the opposite of this. He finishes the season and says publicly that we need an upgrade at QB. You think Wannstedt would've ever done that? He brings in Mike Mularkey and, regardless of how accomplished Mularkey is as a coach, says Mularkey will use the Dolphins' system, not his own, so that the players can have more continuity. He benches first-round picks like Vernon Carey and free agent signings like Stockar McDougle when they aren't playing well. He cuts Heath Evans and brings in Darian Barnes for toughness on offense. He says he'll be using the rest of a trashed season to evaluate guys to determine if they're Miami Dolphins material. And the list goes on.

These kinds of moves, however subtle, IMO create a feeling of excitement among the good players, the players who go out and give their all and truly want a Super Bowl ring, no matter what they're paid -- the players who put the team in front of their individual accomplishments.

By contrast, although Wannstedt could be called more of a player's coach in the traditional sense, I think many of his moves created a feeling of safety and security among the bad players on the team. No matter how poorly they played, they were typically assured their same role on the team. Unfortunately I think that sapped the resolve of the good players after a while. You can only have your efforts undermined for so long without seeing a change before you basically throw in the towel.

The take home message is that I think we got a real winner here guys. I can only imagine how excited the Zach Thomases on the team are about next year. I know I am.


Bravo Bravo. Good post.I couldn't agree more.
 
I just wish we had more posts like this in the offseason, well done. I also agree with Phinadict that the attitude and reputation he is creating will go a long way in picking up the type of players we want.
 
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