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"1. (Tie) Bill Belichick, New England Patriots
Nick Saban, Miami Dolphins

Many may be surprised that I did not rank Belichick alone at the top of the AFC East coaching class. It is obvious that he has numerous impressive accomplishments, and there is no question he is a great coach, but much of the success of a head coach can be attributed to his assistants. Belichick has been somewhat weakened as a head coach since losing three coordinators (Mangini, Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis) and some other assistants over the past two seasons.
While Belichick is as good as there is at utilizing his personnel when injuries occur, he has been extremely fortunate to have kept Tom Brady healthy over an extended period. Most head coaches have had to deal with the dilemma of an injured star quarterback at least sometime during an NFL season.
I put the 55-year-old Saban alongside Belichick at the top of the heap due to his track record as a winner and the intangibles he brings to an organization. I don't know Saban personally, but I have been around him several times (as a scout) during his stints at both Michigan State and LSU. He is a driven man who has an extremely intense coaching style and rarely leaves a stone unturned. He is very tough and demanding but has some magic in the way he motivates his players. Coach Saban does not have a resume as impressive as Belichick's (few do), but he has a bunch of wins under his belt at the college level and marked a 9-7 record in his first NFL season. Among those nine were six wins in a row, including one at New England, to inject life back into an organization that came off a dismal 4-12 season. Barring injuries, the Dolphins, lead by Saban, could be the team to beat in the East."

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=moll_ken

Guess Saban hasnt proved anything yet, but he certainly is on his way. Thoughts?
 
yeah i suppose it is a bit hard to place him as an equal to belichick but he certainly is an awesome coach i hope he ends up with the things for miami that belichick brought to new england i.e. 3 rings. that would be the best.
 
I cant put Saban up there with a 3 time SB winner... I just cant. If Saban takes us deep into the playoffs... maybe... but it would still be incredibly hard.

Some sweet props for Saban though.. :D
 
FinNasty said:
I cant put Saban up there with a 3 time SB winner... I just cant. If Saban takes us deep into the playoffs... maybe... but it would still be incredibly hard.

Some sweet props for Saban though.. :D

Agreed.

You gotta win in the playoffs. Saban hasn't done it YET.
 
Saban has earned nothing in the NFL while Belichick has won three Super Bowl titles. It's a joke to even compare him.

Also, until I see any sort of results from decimating the secondary (the pass defense was only average last year and has looked pretty bad so far) I'm not sold on Saban's defensive philosophy.
 
Yeah, if you simply look at past performance.......Belicheck has the clear advantage....of course.

However, if you asked me who I'd rather have as my head coach going forward (of any 32 in the NFL) to start a new team, I'd probably pick Saban over Belicheck, by a nose.
Saban seems to have that intangible "something" that not only focuses his teams, but gets them to "buy into" his approach.
He's NEVER had a losing season as a head coach (college or pro), even after taking over for some very dreadful teams...
He just seems to have more "savvy" than Belicheck too...

Call me a homer if you want, but I think Belicheck got lucky because his 6th round QB happened to turn to gold........how many head coaches have THAT good fortune??? And, yes, he's won 3 SBs, but they were all so close that they could've gone 0-3 in those SBs if a bounce went the other way....
Most people will give more props to Belicheck (and justifiably so based on his entire career), but I'm glad Saban's leading our team...
 
Before Saban joined the NFL he was considered by some to be among the best coaches on the planet on any level. I don't see why b/c he changes leagues we're suddenly supposed to lump him in with those who haven't proven anything.
 
The way I took the article, was he ranked it by coaching ability, not by accomplishments. Obviously Bill has accomplished more. He's had 3 NFL head coaching jobs(even if one was for a day), while Nick has only had one.
 
Wow...not even close. Yet. Maybe someday but only time will tell. Can't wait for the season so there is more to read than moronic comparisons from hard up for material writers.
 
Frisches13283 said:
The way I took the article, was he ranked it by coaching ability, not by accomplishments. Obviously Bill has accomplished more. He's had 3 NFL head coaching jobs(even if one was for a day), while Nick has only had one.

The only way to judge coaching ability is through accomplishments.
 
flintsilver7 said:
Saban has earned nothing in the NFL while Belichick has won three Super Bowl titles. It's a joke to even compare him.

Also, until I see any sort of results from decimating the secondary (the pass defense was only average last year and has looked pretty bad so far) I'm not sold on Saban's defensive philosophy.

This is an interesting point to make. Saban is touted as a genius and the secondary is clearly his baby, but it has been no more than average to less than average at best since he has been here. What does that say? Is it too early to tell?

I know Wannstedt is seen as a boob (and I am not one to disagree with that assessment) but our secondary under him was always a strong point.

I hope Saban's master plan unfolds soon and proves itself to have been worth the wait, especially as far as the secondary goes.
 
While Belichick certainly deserves his props for 3 SB rings and you can't take that away from him, Saban is a winner and most importantly he is OURS. If he accomplishes nothing more, he has certainly already revitalized this organization and set us on a solid path toward success, and you can't take THAT away from Saban.

On a more personal note, given both coaches being equal (assuming they were, forgetting the 3 SB's) if I had to choose who I wanted as our coach, I would definitely take Saban, he has a far superior personality and is much more "fan-friendly" IMHO. He also seems to be a consumate "players coach" and seems to be the better motivator of the two.
 
Allen said:
I know Wannstedt is seen as a boob (and I am not one to disagree with that assessment) but our secondary under him was always a strong point.


It's called Sam Madison and Patrick Surtain.

Not Wannstedt! He was defenitely more of a defense coach but not a secondary "Master"
 
It's great to see that Saban is getting some credit for the work he has started in Miami, but Belichick has proven season after season that he is the man. He has plugged players in positions that seemed incredible and it worked. He is great and Nick has the potential to be great.
 
Mile High Fin said:
Yeah, if you simply look at past performance.......Belicheck has the clear advantage....of course.

However, if you asked me who I'd rather have as my head coach going forward (of any 32 in the NFL) to start a new team, I'd probably pick Saban over Belicheck, by a nose.
Saban seems to have that intangible "something" that not only focuses his teams, but gets them to "buy into" his approach.
He's NEVER had a losing season as a head coach (college or pro), even after taking over for some very dreadful teams...
He just seems to have more "savvy" than Belicheck too...

Call me a homer if you want, but I think Belicheck got lucky because his 6th round QB happened to turn to gold........how many head coaches have THAT good fortune??? And, yes, he's won 3 SBs, but they were all so close that they could've gone 0-3 in those SBs if a bounce went the other way....
Most people will give more props to Belicheck (and justifiably so based on his entire career), but I'm glad Saban's leading our team...

Right on.
 
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