saban trying to install a 3-4 defense???

[finsgonewild]

I know many of you guys are tired of these treads but some of the moves saban is making is leaning me toward thinking he is implementing a 3-4 defense. Bua is a linebacker like thomas. He was moved to safety because he is small for the position. In a 3-4 defense it requires bigger linebackers. Maybe he is trying to get a bigger linebacker to play for the team. Also Zygonia is on the trading block. He is also a smaller player playing at the position. The same goes for Jay Williams. Saban does not want him back. This points signs for us using a 3-4 defense. I think our defense will be similar to the patriots where they switch between the 3-4 and 4-3 defense. I am not saying that 3-4 would be good for the team but for him to make these changes kind of points signs for us to use at least some 3-4 this year.

 

[TeeMoney]

I'm guessing you just logged onto FinHeaven after 3 weeks away and didn't read any threads at all and just posted your opinion of the defense and the 4-3 3-4 hybrid yadda yadda yadda. Please tell me this is true, because there has been thread after thread with as many posts about the 3-4 4-3 defense as there are sand on south beach.

To sum up for you... most believe our current players would not be able to fill the roles of a 3-4 defense and it will be a gradual process over a year or two if Saban wants a 3-4 defense. Most believe it will be a base defense in the 4-3 with some trickery and deception used to mimick a 3-4 defense.

 

[GRT8]

I'm guessing you just logged onto FinHeaven after 3 weeks away and didn't read any threads at all and just posted your opinion of the defense and the 4-3 3-4 hybrid yadda yadda yadda. Please tell me this is true, because there has been thread after thread with as many posts about the 3-4 4-3 defense as there are sand on south beach.

To sum up for you... most believe our current players would not be able to fill the roles of a 3-4 defense and it will be a gradual process over a year or two if Saban wants a 3-4 defense. Most believe it will be a base defense in the 4-3 with some trickery and deception used to mimick a 3-4 defense.

and how many granuals of sand are in south beach....5 quintrillion!

 

[TeeMoney]

Exactly!!

 

[KB21]

Once again, let's take a look at history. What kind of defense has Nick Saban always run? Hmmmm. Let's see, that would be a stunt 4-3.

Now, what part of Nick Saban running a stunt 4-3, from the time he was the defensive coordinator for George Perles at Michigan State to his tenure as the head coach at LSU, suggests that Saban now wants to run the 3-4?

The only reason the 3-4 is even a topic is because fans and reporters don't pay attention to what goes on. You don't know what Saban has run in the past, despite me constantly telling you. Reporters don't know what Saban has run in the past, unless they have covered his teams in the past. You then draw the conclusion that, just because he is associated with Bill Belichick, he will run the 3-4 defense. This is despite the fact that Bill Belichick hired Nick Saban in Cleveland SPECIFICALLY to install the stunt 4-3 defense.

 

[korl68]

Once again, let's take a look at history. What kind of defense has Nick Saban always run? Hmmmm. Let's see, that would be a stunt 4-3.

Now, what part of Nick Saban running a stunt 4-3, from the time he was the defensive coordinator for George Perles at Michigan State to his tenure as the head coach at LSU, suggests that Saban now wants to run the 3-4?

The only reason the 3-4 is even a topic is because fans and reporters don't pay attention to what goes on. You don't know what Saban has run in the past, despite me constantly telling you. Reporters don't know what Saban has run in the past, unless they have covered his teams in the past. You then draw the conclusion that, just because he is associated with Bill Belichick, he will run the 3-4 defense. This is despite the fact that Bill Belichick hired Nick Saban in Cleveland SPECIFICALLY to install the stunt 4-3 defense.

I agree with Keith he will present some defenses that will look like a 3-4 but will not go exclusively to a base 3-4. I guess this keeps coming up because there is little else to talk about right now.

 

[finsgonewild]

i was trying to say that these are signs pointing to us using the 3-4..... If I remember correctly Graham the former texan defensive line coach ran a 3-4 defense in Texas.

Also whoever said that will run a 4-3 defense because he ran it in college is not totally correct. Saban is doing what is best for the team. If he thinks a 4-3 defense is the best for the team so be it. If he wants a 3-4 defense so be it. Saban will not have the same philosophy he had in college. If he does then he will not succeed. We saw how succesful the tiger defense was for the dolphins. Mixing the plays up really screws up the defense. Look the patriots for instance. Their defense never looks the same from play to play that is part of the reason they are so sucessful. If we do that then our team will be much better.

Also wasnt the tiger defense sort of like a 3-4 defense. I know it was only used in certain situations. The success we had when we used it was great.

 

[Phins81]

KB's right. Even when Saban lined up a tackle over center (which he did more of at LSU in '03), he just slid his four-man front over usually to the offense's weakside. It left a defensive end out in space. Imagine Jason Taylor lining up in that open area with the offense trying to figure out who's going to block him.

I'm not sure what the obsession with going back to the Olivadotti-style 3-4 is either. Nick Saban is not going to have his zero-technique tackle and inside linebackers get mauled on plays up the middle just for doing their job. There will be 3-4 'looks', but really you'll see five players across the line (four linemen and an outside linebacker). Add regular and zone blitzes and the quarterback won't know who's coming and how many.

 

[yankeehillbilly]

.... Bua is a linebacker like thomas. He was moved to safety because he is small for the position. In a 3-4 defense it requires bigger linebackers. Maybe he is trying to get a bigger linebacker to play for the team...

Or maybe Saban thinks we need a safety...a position that Bua has played in the past.

 

[KB21]

i was trying to say that these are signs pointing to us using the 3-4..... If I remember correctly Graham the former texan defensive line coach ran a 3-4 defense in Texas.

Also whoever said that will run a 4-3 defense because he ran it in college is not totally correct. Saban is doing what is best for the team. If he thinks a 4-3 defense is the best for the team so be it. If he wants a 3-4 defense so be it. Saban will not have the same philosophy he had in college. If he does then he will not succeed. We saw how succesful the tiger defense was for the dolphins. Mixing the plays up really screws up the defense. Look the patriots for instance. Their defense never looks the same from play to play that is part of the reason they are so sucessful. If we do that then our team will be much better.

Also wasnt the tiger defense sort of like a 3-4 defense. I know it was only used in certain situations. The success we had when we used it was great.

It won't work? Despite the fact that it worked in Cleveland? Cleveland did afterall have the 6th best scoring defense of all time in 1994.

 

[rafael]

Once again, let's take a look at history. What kind of defense has Nick Saban always run? Hmmmm. Let's see, that would be a stunt 4-3.

Now, what part of Nick Saban running a stunt 4-3, from the time he was the defensive coordinator for George Perles at Michigan State to his tenure as the head coach at LSU, suggests that Saban now wants to run the 3-4?

The only reason the 3-4 is even a topic is because fans and reporters don't pay attention to what goes on. You don't know what Saban has run in the past, despite me constantly telling you. Reporters don't know what Saban has run in the past, unless they have covered his teams in the past. You then draw the conclusion that, just because he is associated with Bill Belichick, he will run the 3-4 defense. This is despite the fact that Bill Belichick hired Nick Saban in Cleveland SPECIFICALLY to install the stunt 4-3 defense.

Did you miss the Archer(after he interviewed for the DC position) quote saying that Saban wanted to install the 3-4?

 

[unifiedtheory]

Once again, let's take a look at history. What kind of defense has Nick Saban always run? Hmmmm. Let's see, that would be a stunt 4-3.

Now, what part of Nick Saban running a stunt 4-3, from the time he was the defensive coordinator for George Perles at Michigan State to his tenure as the head coach at LSU, suggests that Saban now wants to run the 3-4?

The only reason the 3-4 is even a topic is because fans and reporters don't pay attention to what goes on. You don't know what Saban has run in the past, despite me constantly telling you. Reporters don't know what Saban has run in the past, unless they have covered his teams in the past. You then draw the conclusion that, just because he is associated with Bill Belichick, he will run the 3-4 defense. This is despite the fact that Bill Belichick hired Nick Saban in Cleveland SPECIFICALLY to install the stunt 4-3 defense.

KB....you can stand on the rooftops and scream this post and it ring hollow for some people.

Saban has run the 4-3 his whole life. It is a scheme that works. We DO NOT have the people to run the 3-4.

The 3-4 would involve MASSIVE personal change. It would take 2-3 drafts to get the personal to run the 3-4 and not get killed.

Let Saban run his 4-3...not some trendy defense that will eventually get figured out. We have seen this story before. The 3-4 was in vogue in the 80's and eventually went the way of the dinosaur.

 

[rafael]

KB....you can stand on the rooftops and scream this post and it ring hollow for some people.

Saban has run the 4-3 his whole life. It is a scheme that works. We DO NOT have the people to run the 3-4.

The 3-4 would involve MASSIVE personal change. It would take 2-3 drafts to get the personal to run the 3-4 and not get killed.

Let Saban run his 4-3...not some trendy defense that will eventually get figured out. We have seen this story before. The 3-4 was in vogue in the 80's and eventually went the way of the dinosaur.

Actually the 3-4 was the predominant D in the 70s and 80s (maybe earlier, but I'm too young to recall). What makes it a new fad? Maybe the 4-3 is about to go the way of the dinosaur. The 4-3 is much easier to figure out.

And why do so many posters claim so adamantly that it can't happen. One of our DC prospects has already been quoted as saying Saban wants to install the 3-4. Logically, you'd expect it to be similar to the 3-4 D he helped BB design for NE. All that gets repeated is a simplistic size req. Haven't you been watching the NFL for awhile. The list of successful players that don't match prototypical size expectations is enormous. Football is about making plays. That's what great players do. They have some attribute that allows them to do so. That attribute can be something other than size. Yes, you have to put players in position to make plays and some players are better in certain schemes, but that's one of advantages of the 3-4. It allows far greater flexibility to allow players with varying attributes to excel. And frankly, if Saban is telling his DC candidates that he wants to install a 3-4 then obviously he agrees.

 

[Nzone]

Did you miss the Archer(after he interviewed for the DC position) quote saying that Saban wanted to install the 3-4?

I'll wait until a DC is named to make the call. I'm sure Saban is interested but the key is a 3-4 coach would be needed to help in changing over. However, I do not expect the 3-4 to be our base D this year, but maybe next.

 

[phinphan11]

To sum up for you... most believe our current players would not be able to fill the roles of a 3-4 defense and it will be a gradual process over a year or two if Saban wants a 3-4 defense. Most believe it will be a base defense in the 4-3 with some trickery and deception used to mimick a 3-4 defense.

Isn't this what Saban referred to when he was speaking of the direction he wanted to go on defense? I believe that he specifically said that he was going to stick w/ the 4-3 with some conufsion schemes, meant to bedazzle the opposing QB, thrown in.
I guess that we should just take him at his word and stop speculating about this.