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Saban's Press Conf: Validating PFT's Comments about Todd France?

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(On a timetable on when to expect Ronnie Brown) – “I think everybody tress to make a lot of comparisons with the high draft picks in terms of the slots of those comparisons. It becomes a matter of whether you want to pull the trigger, but if everybody else is slotted and you slot it, you have all the rest of the slots as verification that you made a good deal. If you pull the pin early, then some other deal might get made that doesn’t make your deal look so good. I think that there is a lot of that that goes on and I am not saying that in a critical way. I think that there is a lot of that that goes on with the top five or ten picks that everybody is so cautious about finalizing something because they would like to see all the other things because that verifies what they have done one way or the other. We respect that as long as it’s taking into account the balance of how it is affecting the player in terms of what he is missing and how much he is missing and when is the right time to get that done in terms of the best interest of the player. That is the balance that we would like to be able to strike. Obviously, we would like to have the guy here yesterday, but we understand this part of it and we are going to coach the guys who are here and do the best we can with those guys. When that guy comes in, he is going to have to suffer the consequences of where he is relative to everybody else.â€Â
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Now, if you remember, the following was posted yesterday at 9:50am by PFT at http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

FRANCE IN OVER HIS HEAD?

One of the common gripes we hear from agents is that inexperienced contract reps often screw things up for the guys who know what they're doing.

Case in point -- Todd France is a relative newbie who got his hooks into three first-rounders this year. And we're hearing that France is foot-dragging with his two top-ten clients because he's a-scared that the contracts he negotiates won't compare favorably to the guys taken directly before and after his clients.

France represents Miami running back Ronnie Brown, the No. 2 overall pick. Per a league source with knowledge of but no involvement in the discussions between the Fins and Brown and the Browns and No. 3 pick Braylon Edwards, France won't do a deal for Brown until the Browns sign Edwards, because France fears that Edwards will get a better deal from the Browns than Brown will get from the Fins.

Whew.

France also represents Carlos Rogers, the cornerback selected by the 'Skins at No. 9. Word is that France might pull the trigger on Rogers even though the Cards have yet to sign cornerback Antrell Rolle at No. 8. With Mike Williams and the Lions a done deal at No. 10, the floor has been established for France as to Rogers. We're also hearing that Rogers is pressing France to get the deal done.

France's fears have been fueled, we're told, by the fact that another one of his clients, Panthers safety/linebacker Thomas Davis, agreed to terms before the guy taken immediately after Davis, linebacker Derrick Johnson of the Chiefs, had done a deal. Word is that France did the Davis deal early because he knew where the Saints were heading with Jammal Brown (who was taken one spot ahead of Davis), by virtue of France's relationship with Saints negotiator Russ Ball. But France got burned when he concluded based on info from the Chiefs that Davis would come in roughly $500,000 ahead of Johnson. We're told that the actually spread between the Davis and Johnson deals is very close.

The bottom line is that agents shouldn't allow themselves to be paralyzed by fear that their deals won't compare favorably to those of guys drafted before or after their players. And if an agent isn't sufficiently confident in his skills and abilities to get his deals done -- especially when he has three first-round picks and two in the top ten -- maybe he's in the wrong line of work.
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Keep in mind that where it concerns the Phins, PFT may have a VERY reliable source somewhere. The posted a story about Kevin Vickerson's bad behaviour a LONG time before that story broke about Vickerson switching agents and him missing meetings and acting the fool and stuff. Then PFT took down that story and struck it from their archives, for unknown reasons (Florio: "No comment")

Kind of makes their recent stories about Gus Frerotte basically having already won the QB competition and the Dolphins shopping around Lamar Gordon much more believable.
 
interesting. hopefully florio (and not the source) coined the term "nicktator."
 
I think PFT is located almost where i live....I think its either Charleston or Clarksburg WV
 
ckparrothead said:
Now, if you remember, the following was posted yesterday at 9:50am by PFT at http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm



Keep in mind that where it concerns the Phins, PFT may have a VERY reliable source somewhere. The posted a story about Kevin Vickerson's bad behaviour a LONG time before that story broke about Vickerson switching agents and him missing meetings and acting the fool and stuff. Then PFT took down that story and struck it from their archives, for unknown reasons (Florio: "No comment")

Kind of makes their recent stories about Gus Frerotte basically having already won the QB competition and the Dolphins shopping around Lamar Gordon much more believable.
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RU serious I could have told you the same thing that was not inside info. Oh and I guess Saban doesnt read either.:shakeno:
 
kbeath said:
RU serious I could have told you the same thing that was not inside info. Oh and I guess Saban doesnt read either.:shakeno:
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What exactly are you saying was common knowledge?? Certainly not the Vickerson or Todd France stuff.
 
Even if what PFT is saying about France is true, that line of thought is a load of nonsense. If France strikes a deal with the Dolphins first, Cleveland will look at Brown's guaranteed money, knock $1 million off of it, and that will be what they give Braylon.
 
Funny how PFT knows Frerrotte is gonna start yet Saban has said nothing. What does Saban have to gain from withholding the starting qb if his mind is made up? I believe the cloesest thing to teh truth may be that Saban feels Frerrotte is ahead and ius a veteran with a better feel for teh offense right now and unless AJ shows him he has that grasp and comfort then he will go with Gus possibly. That is diff than the comp already being over and Gus already winning it w/o ever playing a single game.

As far as France, they may have a better lead on that or could be their source's speculation based on fragments of facts they know, doesnt mean it is 100% accurate.

Point being their info could be incorrect w/o it being an intentional fake story, ie that the info isnt credible, just not a fact based set stone info piece.

Oh and as far as Saban validating PFT piece on France, I dont necessarily agree, tho it is possible. All I took from Sabans comments was that it was fairly normal for an agent to try and determine the exact or as close to exact market for his player, not that it was France inexperience in dealings that is holding up negotiaions. Only the #1 and 5 have signed of the top 5, it is a matter with the other 3 who blinks first and sets the remaining market.
 
DolfanDaveInATX said:
Even if what PFT is saying about France is true, that line of thought is a load of nonsense. If France strikes a deal with the Dolphins first, Cleveland will look at Brown's guaranteed money, knock $1 million off of it, and that will be what they give Braylon.
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I agree with you that the line of thought is nonsense though not for the same reason. Supposedly there have been instances where a lower slot's deal was better or just as good. I haven't done the research but that was suppose to have happened to Sean Taylor with Winslow getting a much better deal two slots lower.

All the agents and clubs have access to contract information so as long as the pick above or below has signed and the info from last year's pick is already known a good deal can be struck. Where the problem is: If the deal being negotiated is not favorable to the other contracts and both the client and club wants the player to get into camp an agent can be pressured into a poor deal.

That pressure could include information from a source given to the press or a rumor journalist.

I don't know how smart France is but he has Smith's and Gallery's contract to base Brown's contract upon. If the deal is good there is no need to worry about Edwards' contract with the Browns. If Brown's deal is not good then France has every right to be concerned because Braylon's deal could come in better or better in relation to the deals of the slots around them than Ronnie’s with the Browns wanting to give their guy a good deal for all the goodwill that would generate.

Thus France could negotiate a mediocre deal in terms of percentage increase and should rightly be worried and criticized if that is the final result.
 
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