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Can there be any doubt that Nick Saban knew he inherited a mess and realized he needed two years to clean this team up? I believe it is quite obvious, after a good look at this team, that it's been Saban's plan all along. Not to say that he isn't incredibly competitive and will do everything in his power to produce a decent season THIS year.

Many people believe that Saban should have just forgotten about this season, draft the best available QB, fire sale every expensive, older player we have on this team (Madison, Taylor, Zach, etc), bring in as much young talent as possible, and collect draft picks. This type of surgery is known as amputation and I can't think of a single instance that it has worked.

The model organizations in the NFL, which include New England, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Philadelphia have all done well through the draft, kept productive older players as role models and mentors, and patiently drafted and signed best players available, not desperately reaching for need positions. This is called precision surgery and makes the most sense to me.

Saban showed patience with an excellent draft (taking the best players available) and keeping productive veterans. He invested in a top-notch coaching staff, and brought in low-risk veterans with short-term contracts.

When you really think about it, what else could he do? He had to see what kind of young talent we have on the O-line, whether Feeley really could lead this team, etc. I think he made the best educated guess he could, brought in the best players available, managed the salary cap, and will continue to evaluate what he inherited.

Sadly, most of us were extremely disappointed with Wannstedt/Spielman, and I think we actually overrated them. I believe they were even worse than we thought. We were poised to be the worst team in the NFL this year, if Wanny and Rick had stayed. They absolutely ran this organization into the ground.

Saban has already turned about 60% of this team over from last year and would love to cut a few more linemen, at the very least. How can you inherit 80% garbage and turn it into sugar in one year? Can't be done. Three years is too long for Saban, he will have us competitive by next year, which is a miracle when you consider what he inherited.
 
I agree,...make haste slowly
 
i have to say that this is a great piece to read without prejudice towards anyone else.

precision surgery. i like that.
 
FinFan57 said:
Can there be any doubt that Nick Saban knew he inherited a mess and realized he needed two years to clean this team up? I believe it is quite obvious, after a good look at this team, that it's been Saban's plan all along. Not to say that he isn't incredibly competitive and will do everything in his power to produce a decent season THIS year.

Many people believe that Saban should have just forgotten about this season, draft the best available QB, fire sale every expensive, older player we have on this team (Madison, Taylor, Zach, etc), bring in as much young talent as possible, and collect draft picks. This type of surgery is known as amputation and I can't think of a single instance that it has worked.

The model organizations in the NFL, which include New England, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Philadelphia have all done well through the draft, kept productive older players as role models and mentors, and patiently drafted and signed best players available, not desperately reaching for need positions. This is called precision surgery and makes the most sense to me.

Saban showed patience with an excellent draft (taking the best players available) and keeping productive veterans. He invested in a top-notch coaching staff, and brought in low-risk veterans with short-term contracts.

When you really think about it, what else could he do? He had to see what kind of young talent we have on the O-line, whether Feeley really could lead this team, etc. I think he made the best educated guess he could, brought in the best players available, managed the salary cap, and will continue to evaluate what he inherited.

Sadly, most of us were extremely disappointed with Wannstedt/Spielman, and I think we actually overrated them. I believe they were even worse than we thought. We were poised to be the worst team in the NFL this year, if Wanny and Rick had stayed. They absolutely ran this organization into the ground.

Saban has already turned about 60% of this team over from last year and would love to cut a few more linemen, at the very least. How can you inherit 80% garbage and turn it into sugar in one year? Can't be done. Three years is too long for Saban, he will have us competitive by next year, which is a miracle when you consider what he inherited.



are you a doctor?:rofl3: :rofl3:
 
FinFan57 said:
Can there be any doubt that Nick Saban knew he inherited a mess and realized he needed two years to clean this team up? I believe it is quite obvious, after a good look at this team, that it's been Saban's plan all along. Not to say that he isn't incredibly competitive and will do everything in his power to produce a decent season THIS year.

Many people believe that Saban should have just forgotten about this season, draft the best available QB, fire sale every expensive, older player we have on this team (Madison, Taylor, Zach, etc), bring in as much young talent as possible, and collect draft picks. This type of surgery is known as amputation and I can't think of a single instance that it has worked.

The model organizations in the NFL, which include New England, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Philadelphia have all done well through the draft, kept productive older players as role models and mentors, and patiently drafted and signed best players available, not desperately reaching for need positions. This is called precision surgery and makes the most sense to me.

Saban showed patience with an excellent draft (taking the best players available) and keeping productive veterans. He invested in a top-notch coaching staff, and brought in low-risk veterans with short-term contracts.

When you really think about it, what else could he do? He had to see what kind of young talent we have on the O-line, whether Feeley really could lead this team, etc. I think he made the best educated guess he could, brought in the best players available, managed the salary cap, and will continue to evaluate what he inherited.

Sadly, most of us were extremely disappointed with Wannstedt/Spielman, and I think we actually overrated them. I believe they were even worse than we thought. We were poised to be the worst team in the NFL this year, if Wanny and Rick had stayed. They absolutely ran this organization into the ground.

Saban has already turned about 60% of this team over from last year and would love to cut a few more linemen, at the very least. How can you inherit 80% garbage and turn it into sugar in one year? Can't be done. Three years is too long for Saban, he will have us competitive by next year, which is a miracle when you consider what he inherited.
Preaching to the converted here, I've been saying this for months.:D
 
It's kind of funny that the same people who were saying that Wannstedt sucked are now saying that Nick can't be expected to win now. That's BS. Wannstedt went 11-5 in both 2000 and 2001 with much, much less talent than Saban has now. Look at those teams and compare them to what Saban has to work with.

QB: Fiedler v. Frerotte/Feeley. While probably no huge upgrade, I don't think you can argue that the current guys are much worse than Fielder was in his first 2 years as an NFL starter.

RB: Lamar Smith v. Ricky/Ronnie. Easy win for 2005.

WR: Leslie Shepherd/Gadsden/Tony Martin/Chambers (rookie) v. Chambers (veteran)/Booker/Boston. Another clear-cut victory for 2005.

TE: Jed Weaver/Hunter Goodwin v. McMichael/DLee/LDiamond. 2005 in a landslide.

OL: The 2000/2001 teams had Ruddy, Irwin, Dixon, BSmith, John Bock, Todd Wade, Spencer Folau, and Todd Perry. Hardly and all-star cast. While this year's line is no great shakes either, it should not be substantially worse than those 2000/2001 teams. Especially if Houck is worth half of what he's getting paid.

DE: Bromell/Mixon/Taylor v. Taylor/Carter/Bowens/Roth. I'll take the 2005 group.

DT: Bowens/Gardener v. Traylor/Holliday/Chester/Zgonina. The 2000-01 group was better, but was no real pass rush presence. If Chester gets healthy, he and Traylor should be a pretty good run-stuffing pair.

LB: Zach/DRodgers/Greenwood v. Zach/Junior/Crowder/Spragan. I'd again take the 2005 group.

S: Freeman/Marion/BWalker v. Schulters/TJones/YBell/TTillman. The jury is still out on the 2005 group. I'd give the edge to the 2000-01 group, but not in a landslide.

CB: Madison/Surtain/Cousin/JFletcher v. Madison/Daniels/Howard. The 2000-01 group was better but only because Saban elected to trade Surtain. Had we kept Surtain (at the expense of Roth), I'd have said the 2005 group is better.

The bottom line is that this year's team is at least as talented as those teams that Wanny took to 11-5 in 2000 and 2001. I'd say this year's team is much more talented. I'm not a Wannstedt apologist -- I never cared for him (I felt we played not to lose rather than to win and were too conservative). But you can't say Wannstedt was terrible unless you agree that those 2000-01 teams were very talented. If they were very talented, this year's team is even more so. I'm not willing to give Saban a free year based on an imagined 2-year plan.
 
Not a good comparison for the following reasons:

1) Our division was much weaker then
2) Our O-line was very underrated. In Wanny's first year, that O-line was one of the best in recent memory for the Dolphins
3) No one has ever questioned Wanny's ability on defense.
 
The 2000 team, by the way, had Webb, Dixon, Ruddy, Wade, Donalley. They all had excellent years that year by the way. Even Ruddy went to the Pro Bowl.
 
Also Saban has to cope with 4 years of Wanny's rubbish coaching!!!:evil:
 
I like the basic analysis of the original post and likewise agree with the comparison of the early Wanny teams and this years EXCEPT for the Oline! The early Wanny Oline was far superior in experiance if not talent than this year's model. Webb was in his later years but was a far better LT even then than anyone on our roster now. Dixon was a top flight LG, Ruddy was an all-pro C, Todd Perry was at his best and Todd Wade was a better Ot than anyone we have since.
 
FinFan57 said:
Not a good comparison for the following reasons:

1) Our division was much weaker then
2) Our O-line was very underrated. In Wanny's first year, that O-line was one of the best in recent memory for the Dolphins
3) No one has ever questioned Wanny's ability on defense.

Actually, that 2000 team averaged 3.8 yard per carry, 24th in the NFL. It gave up a sack once every 15 attempts, which is also nothing special. The division was pretty good in 2000: the Fins, Jets, Colts and Bills were all .500 or better. In 2001, the Pats won the Super Bowl and the Jets went 10-6, so there were some good teams in the division then too. Lastly, plenty of people have questioned Wanny's ability as a football coach, which includes offense and defense.
 
Wanny had a great scheme and talent inherited for him from Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy set up the pieces and all Wanny had to do was ride the wave (he did). He did not over the course of his tenure make this team ANY BETTER (with the exception of Ricky) and he even turned Ricky a gamebreaking runningback into a back who only averaged 3.5 yards a carry. Saban is a coach who is going to evolve this team to it's fullest potential and beyond. Wanny should have been able to turn us into a superbowl team...
 
Fineas said:
Actually, that 2000 team averaged 3.8 yard per carry, 24th in the NFL. It gave up a sack once every 15 attempts, which is also nothing special. The division was pretty good in 2000: the Fins, Jets, Colts and Bills were all .500 or better. In 2001, the Pats won the Super Bowl and the Jets went 10-6, so there were some good teams in the division then too. Lastly, plenty of people have questioned Wanny's ability as a football coach, which includes offense and defense.
Look who was running the ball, Lamar Smith and remember the style of rushing that Wanny uses. He also had 309 attempts. The team, mostly defense, won those games.
 
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