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Saddled with 'mess,' GM Saban struggles

Lack of draft success?

Crowder, Ronnie and Daniels are all starters from last years draft

Fred Evans looks like he will be very solid, Hagan isnt seeing the field as much but I give more credit to Welker. And Jason Allen held out at a very complicated position in our defense, and will be playing this week.

Toledo looks good to but he got hurt

Now I will read the article :lol:
 
In the long run, I think the '06 draft class will be as good or better than the '05 draft class....
 
Breed said:
In the long run, I think the '06 draft class will be as good or better than the '05 draft class....
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:lol: your avatar is hillarious

Okay anyway on subject

Im not sure about that, I think they could be pretty equal but Im not sure about better

Brown/Crowder/Daniels/Roth

Allen/Hagan/Toledo/Evans

I like Jason Allen and think he will be very good for us eventually, Hagan should be a good WR to (at least a #2 guy someday)

Then you have the unknown (Toledo, Evans)

How good they end up being could ultimatly decide which class was better
 
has crowder done anything this year? daniels is playing like he is still hurt and ronnie brown is a good player. however, brown is not the type of impact player you expect to get with the 2nd overall pick. this years draft is giving us absolutely nothing a quarter of the way into the season.
the free agent pick ups like lj shelton, anderson and all the other guys we signed this year are mediocre to downright bad. i think saban is going to take a hell of a lot longer to turn this thing around than we all initially thought.
 
Matt Roth has also made some nice strides from last year to this year.Saban hasn't had a full compliment of DP's nor has he had one second rounder as of yet. Lets not forget Rod Wright, who's on IR for the season to heal from rotator cuff surgery, which was the plan from the day he was drafted. How can anyone determine Sabans success with only his second draft to date?? It's just not possible at this point.
 
Lack of draft success??? :sidelol:

Last years draft was fantasic. We got 3 starters (Ronnie, Crowder, and Daniels) as well as Roth who is only kept out of the starting lineup because he has 2 pro bowlers ahead of him. Yet... he still is forcing his way into the rotation and making plays.

We have yet to find out about this draft yet... its only been 4 games. Hagan has looked solid when called upon, but has been prevented from seen much playing time to Welker who has been playing out of is skull. JAllen took some time to learn the system, especially with the holdout and position switching... but will apparently be getting some reps this weekend.
 
Alex44 said:
:lol: your avatar is hillarious

Okay anyway on subject

Im not sure about that, I think they could be pretty equal but Im not sure about better

Brown/Crowder/Daniels/Roth

Allen/Hagan/Toledo/Evans

I like Jason Allen and think he will be very good for us eventually, Hagan should be a good WR to (at least a #2 guy someday)

Then you have the unknown (Toledo, Evans)

How good they end up being could ultimatly decide which class was better
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I don't think Roth is as good as everyone makes him out to be; although I think he can be solid. Same for Crowder, but I think Crowder has bigger upside....

I like Allen and Hagan more than most.....and I think Evans may end up being as good as Roth in time. I also consider Culpepper part of the draft class.........If we can put him in a position where he doesn't have to win us every game (like passing 30-40 times a game) he should work out for us.

....and thanks for the props on my avatar :)
 
mike71 said:
has crowder done anything this year? daniels is playing like he is still hurt and ronnie brown is a good player. however, brown is not the type of impact player you expect to get with the 2nd overall pick. this years draft is giving us absolutely nothing a quarter of the way into the season.
the free agent pick ups like lj shelton, anderson and all the other guys we signed this year are mediocre to downright bad. i think saban is going to take a hell of a lot longer to turn this thing around than we all initially thought.
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Channing Crowder has 26 tackles, about 6.5 a game, thats very good for an outside LB/Inside LB in a 3-4 especially when you play with Zach Thomas who racks them up.

Daniels WAS injured, you expect him to look perfect his first game back? He didnt play poorly last week at least aknowledge that.

Ronnie isnt a playmaker? Who is? Ricky Williams? Well they had the same YPC average last year, and not only is Ronnie a RB who moves the pile, Id be willing to bet RB is top 5 among NFL runningbacks in receptions and reception yards

We picked up mediocre players like Shelton and Anderson because we didnt have cap room. Simple as that
 
Breed said:
I don't think Roth is as good as everyone makes him out to be; although I think he can be solid. Same for Crowder, but I think Crowder has bigger upside....

I like Allen and Hagan more than most.....and I think Evans may end up being as good as Roth in time. I also consider Culpepper part of the draft class.........If we can put him in a position where he doesn't have to win us every game (like passing 30-40 times a game) he should work out for us.

....and thanks for the props on my avatar :)
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I think Crowder is solid, He's a 4-3 MLB playing outside linebacker in the 4-3, and inside (often) in the 3-4, So he isnt really playing to his strength.

Roth hasnt proven anything yet, but I have noticed he improved from last year which is always good and hopefully he can keep doing that

No problem about the avatar :lol: its great
 
alex 44 give me a break. stop believing everything you read in regards to saban being "handcuffed"! ronnie brown is a good player, he hasn't been anything close to what i and probably a lot of people hoped for. laurence maroney had had more big plays in 4 games than brown has had in 18 games! channing crowder has nice numbers but show me one big play he has made this year. one impact play. just one.
last year we picked roth in the second round. you think maybe we could have taken an o-lineman instead? especially being how deep we are on the d-line.
as far as shelton is concerned, scolnick i believe from the sun-sentinel said the titans gave mawae the same amount of money we gave shelton. mawae at 35 is 100 better than lj shelton will ever be.
admit it, no one thought we would be this bad(especially not me).
another thing, i thought saban was a db genius? how many times are the db's in good position yet don't turn back for the ball? every single week the secondary gives up a play that is a difference maker in the game. but saban is a db genius.
 
mike71 said:
alex 44 give me a break. stop believing everything you read in regards to saban being "handcuffed"! ronnie brown is a good player, he hasn't been anything close to what i and probably a lot of people hoped for. laurence maroney had had more big plays in 4 games than brown has had in 18 games! channing crowder has nice numbers but show me one big play he has made this year. one impact play. just one.
last year we picked roth in the second round. you think maybe we could have taken an o-lineman instead? especially being how deep we are on the d-line.
as far as shelton is concerned, scolnick i believe from the sun-sentinel said the titans gave mawae the same amount of money we gave shelton. mawae at 35 is 100 better than lj shelton will ever be.
admit it, no one thought we would be this bad(especially not me).
another thing, i thought saban was a db genius? how many times are the db's in good position yet don't turn back for the ball? every single week the secondary gives up a play that is a difference maker in the game. but saban is a db genius.
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Because as a DB your taught to read the recievers eyes, you play the WR not the ball. (Thats how Ive always been taught anyway, and its how he is teaching them apparently)

Shelton over Mawae for the same money? Okay got me there mistake. Unless you take into account the fact that maybe Saban thought Hadnot would make a great center and a LT was more of a need.

You lose all credibility by saying Ronnie isnt a playmaker, seems like every play he is pushing the pile and getting positive yards, and being one of the best recieving backs in football. Behind this O-Line what more do you want?

btw Mawae isnt playing all that great for Tennessee either

Do you conisder Larry Johnson a playmaker? Because he only has rushing 2 TD's (same as Ronnie) 4.0 ypc (.5 better than ronnie) and 2 20+ yard runs (1 better than Ronnie)

Doubt the O-Line, doubt the lack of runs called, dont doubt Ronnie
 
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