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Shall we forgive him ?
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"While nobody's watching"....as he posts it on social media for millions to watch 
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Tough crowd :)
Lead, play hard for 17, keep your mouth shut
Thats all you have to do to win the fans back, then restructure your contract and maybe you can finish out your career here asa Miami Dolphin
Lead, play hard for 17, keep your mouth shut
Thats all you have to do to win the fans back, then restructure your contract and maybe you can finish out your career here asa Miami Dolphin
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That sounds something like a High School coach yelling at his team. - LOL
Act like a teammate, don't be a distraction...Even when things look bad, help the Dolphins win, and most will forgive (Doubt they will forget though).
As they say, nothing cures team issues like winning, so he needs to do his best to perform, succeed when needed, and keep his mouth shut when losing, or not seeing the ball as much as he expects to.
We will see how sincere Tyreek really is.
As they say, nothing cures team issues like winning, so he needs to do his best to perform, succeed when needed, and keep his mouth shut when losing, or not seeing the ball as much as he expects to.
We will see how sincere Tyreek really is.
The guy is a nut job causing issues that aren't required. With that said, he's our most talented player and we are reliant upon him at the WR1 slot. So, he can compel our forgiveness by acting like the leader he is paid to be and shaking off his nonsense. I hate the quitting stuff he did plus the I'm taking my ball and going home trade request. But, we all know this is a better team with Tyreek out there than it is without.
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Usually these domestic violence abusers wind up doing some real bad ****, I guess I’m just hopeful people can change once they realize how grateful we all should be
Yeah, I hear you. He needs to change on and off the field by a decent margin.
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While there are a lot of 'could-be' names on the Dolphins WR depth chart, none are proven. If we're being honest...it's all pretty ugly.
Westbrook-Ikhine is a bit player who in 5 years with Tennessee never once eclipsed 500-yds. Half of his entire 2024 totals in yards and touchdowns came from a 3-game stretch in the middle of the season. Please don't think he's some secret weapon McDaniel will turn lose.
Behind him are three developing players in Erik Ezukanma, Malik Washington and Tahj Washington, all of whom have done basically nothing as of yet. I know we have hopes for Malik but he put up 200-yds receiving last year. For a guy who was mostly available, that's nothing.
And then you've got a couple no-names in Tarik Black and D'Wayne Eskridge who are practice squad types and may not even make the team as they've both done absolutely nothing in their careers.
Like it or not, the Dolphins are in no way ready to let go of Tyreek Hill. The only productive WR they have outside of Hill is Waddle and his 2024 campaign was basically awful, especially considering that Miami focused on short-area passes and looked to go away from the injured Tyreek Hill. By all accounts, Waddle should've thrived in those conditions!
In a year when Waddle could've been our #1 he instead put up 744 yards and 2 TDs. That's pathetic for someone who started 15 games on a new contract.
While I know there are a lot of Miami fans who want to act like Tyreek Hill has to apologize to them personally, I think maybe those people might want to check in on reality because in a down year when Tyreek was injured, he was still far and away the best weapon you had and that's scary.
And yeah, yeah, yeah...De'Von Achane, right?
Well, his 907 rushing yards ranked 21st so that's not great. And it's not like the NFL moved on from RBs or anything. 16 different RBs rushed for over 1,000-yds, 7 of whom got over 1,200. In fact, we nearly had 2 different RBs rush for 2,000 yards as crazy as that sounds.
And was that lack of production because Achane shared the backfield? Not really.
Was it because his QB was stealing the rushing yards? Nope!
In fact, both Baltimore and Buffalo had RBs well in excess of Achane's numbers despite having QBs who rushed for notable yardage. Heck, both Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson in Baltimore surpassed Achane last year, LOL.
Sure, Achane's all-purpose yardage total of 1,531 was solid, but it was still only 11th best among RBs which is hardly elite.
So don't over-rate Waddle, Achane or Jonnu Smith in some misguided, homer attempt to downplay the primacy of Tyreek Hill in this offense. Hill is still the guy until someone else does something truly special.
Westbrook-Ikhine is a bit player who in 5 years with Tennessee never once eclipsed 500-yds. Half of his entire 2024 totals in yards and touchdowns came from a 3-game stretch in the middle of the season. Please don't think he's some secret weapon McDaniel will turn lose.
Behind him are three developing players in Erik Ezukanma, Malik Washington and Tahj Washington, all of whom have done basically nothing as of yet. I know we have hopes for Malik but he put up 200-yds receiving last year. For a guy who was mostly available, that's nothing.
And then you've got a couple no-names in Tarik Black and D'Wayne Eskridge who are practice squad types and may not even make the team as they've both done absolutely nothing in their careers.
Like it or not, the Dolphins are in no way ready to let go of Tyreek Hill. The only productive WR they have outside of Hill is Waddle and his 2024 campaign was basically awful, especially considering that Miami focused on short-area passes and looked to go away from the injured Tyreek Hill. By all accounts, Waddle should've thrived in those conditions!
In a year when Waddle could've been our #1 he instead put up 744 yards and 2 TDs. That's pathetic for someone who started 15 games on a new contract.
While I know there are a lot of Miami fans who want to act like Tyreek Hill has to apologize to them personally, I think maybe those people might want to check in on reality because in a down year when Tyreek was injured, he was still far and away the best weapon you had and that's scary.
And yeah, yeah, yeah...De'Von Achane, right?
Well, his 907 rushing yards ranked 21st so that's not great. And it's not like the NFL moved on from RBs or anything. 16 different RBs rushed for over 1,000-yds, 7 of whom got over 1,200. In fact, we nearly had 2 different RBs rush for 2,000 yards as crazy as that sounds.
And was that lack of production because Achane shared the backfield? Not really.
Was it because his QB was stealing the rushing yards? Nope!
In fact, both Baltimore and Buffalo had RBs well in excess of Achane's numbers despite having QBs who rushed for notable yardage. Heck, both Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson in Baltimore surpassed Achane last year, LOL.
Sure, Achane's all-purpose yardage total of 1,531 was solid, but it was still only 11th best among RBs which is hardly elite.
So don't over-rate Waddle, Achane or Jonnu Smith in some misguided, homer attempt to downplay the primacy of Tyreek Hill in this offense. Hill is still the guy until someone else does something truly special.
How about all purpose yards from the RB position? Receiving yards?
Nobody is saying he's a bell cow back. He does have a diverse set of skills, though, and was running behind a pretty bad line.
I do agree that TH is an important part of the offense as currently constructed.
House arrest bracelet for "forgetting" to pay one(or 10?) of his child support payments.
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Yeah, that was kind of my point...to pump the brakes on the pro-Achane hype.
Truth is, Achane's 1,531-yds ranked him #11 among RBs in AP yardage, #13 if we include WRs, too.
That's not bad but it's not like he's Top-5 or anything. I remember Chris Grier suggesting he was worthy (and got snugged) from the Pro Bowl and it's like, yeah, sorry buddy, but no. You don't get national hype for 900 rush yards and a handful of receptions.
I'm not knocking Achane so much as the creeping implication that he's some under-the-radar stud. Yeah, he did lead all RBs in receiving--gotta give him props for that--but first off, he was targeted quite a lot and more importantly, he's so insignificant in his rushing totals that his overall production isn't even Top-10.
You look at some of those other names behind Achane and they're just killing him in rushing production. Gibbs and Robinson both got nearly 1,500 rushing yards. Meanwhile, Conner, Jones and Irving were all around 1,100 yards. while being close in receiving totals.
If Achane is amazing then where's the love for those 3 guys? Miami fans are just getting a little high on their own here, IMHO.
Maybe Achane has the ability to increase his rushing totals without getting hurt, IDK? I personally think his lack of size is a real issue there. I'm not sure I want him rushing more. Perhaps that explains the insertion of all the other RBs into the roster behind him? Then again, who am I supposed to be excited about, the rookie who did nothing last year or the guy from the late rounds this year?
In the context of arguing that Tyreek should be gone...there's just very little to really hang your hat on in Miami that's not mid.
Likewise, 600 receiving yards just isn't that amazing in and of itself. It's only notable for a RB and if he's truly a special RB, he needs to be a little higher IMHO.
Either get over 1,000 yards rushing (which could happen behind this OL) or increase the receiving to match the rushing totals and just become a more specialist player for McDaniel.
I'm happy either way but 1,531 is good, not great, IMHO.
In the context of moving on from Tyreek Hill....this offense doesn't yet have the explosivity it needs to have for me to feel comfortable about a Hill-less '26.
I think when it comes to Achane as a RB we not only have to consider the OL he’s running behind, but also his YPA. He posted a very good 4.5. That’s like a .3 yards difference from being in the top 7 for RB’s. I’m obviously a Phin fan, so probably a little bias here, but I think with a competent OL, and enough carries, he’s a top 5 RB in the NFL.
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There's no doubt in my mind the OL had a major impact on Miami's RBs. I agree 100% with that.
Achane's carries basically doubled from '23 to '24 and yet he only went from 800 to 900 yards...hardly the breakout season we might've imagined for a guy who averaged nearly 8ypc as a rookie, LOL.
Still, if the OL improves, the question becomes whether Achane can survive an increased workload between the tackles? Mostert topped out at 200 carries which is basically what Achane had last year. If he average 5.5ypc that'd put him at 1,100-yds. That's basically Top-10.
If his receiving stayed put, he'd be close to Top-5 all-purpose. So yeah, there's hope.
I'm still quite worried about the upside of the RBs though. I don't think Achane brings more than that and currently, his support staff (Wright, Mattison, Gordon) are exceedingly ho-hum.
Not sure we have the 'upside' to be an elite run game which is really what I'd like to see us get back to. The '23 tandem of Mostert and Achane really seemed to be our peak. Now that Mostert is gone, I'm not sure we have a solid #2 to pair with him. Not sure who emerges to be that guy.