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Should Gase have been tougher with defensive personnel this season?

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As we saw back in October, Gase is not afraid to shake things up. Releasing Turner and Thomas is not something any of the recent regimes would have done, but Gase did what he felt was necessary. Now, I think we all agree that personnel was the main reason for the defense's struggles this season, and I'm wondering why he didn't instill the same kind of tough love on that side of the ball.
 
Gase is pretty much hands off on the defense and gave those reigns to VJ (my biggest and possible only knock on him currently). Hopefully as he settles in with the new HC position he'll start to focus on both sides of the ball.
 
Because there is a slight difference between guys who should be on the street and guys who are on the street.

He can't cut anyone because they have exhausted every viable replacement at this point
 
How about it was Gase 1st year as an HC and this is all part of that process? Gase went well beyond everyone's expectations in his first year at bat. I have no doubt he will do his best to correct the things that are holding this team back.
 
I mean this all is being severely overanalyzed at this point.

Clearly Miami's focus this offseason was to give Gase everything he wanted/needed on offense and get by on defense for a year with short term free agency pickups. Ironically the only MUST HAVE on defense was a CB and that is what we got . . . and even he was hurt for a lion's share of the season

Part of the reasoning for that is, scouts knew exactly how loaded this upcoming draft was on defense.

I mean we are 10-6 with an improved OLine, improved QB play and the best set of skill players on offense that we have had in a decade (I rate that Chambers/Booker/Welker trio highly).

You can't fix it all in one offseason, not when you make a hard stance to blow up the turds from 2013 and take on all that dead cap. People forget, in 2013 we drafted Jordan, used a 2nd to trade up for him, Jamar Taylor and Will Davis . . . and we signed Ellerbe and Wheeler. Thats 2 CBs (2nd and 3rd), 2 LBs and a DE (first and 2nd round pick) . . . 3 years ago, and all we have left from those assets is a glimmer of hope from Dion Jordan.

Vance Joseph knows his personnel and he knows what guys can and can't do.

Williams hasn't worked out . . . it doesn't always work out, but Branch/Wake has. Lippett has made tremendous strides and Alonso had a solid season. Maxwell has played well. The thing that hurt us is, we were always going to be a thin team on defense and we have just been hammered by injuries at positions where we just could not afford them.

And yet here we are . . . . playing our first playoff game in 8 years. With 2 OLBs that would probably be street free agents/special teams only guys and 2 safeties . . . one we picked up off the street and the other is a special teams captain.

Enjoy this taste of the playoffs this year . . . and work towards adding assets to this defense this offseason. Stop lamenting the Carroo trade up and make use of what you do have.
 
I really think they banked on jelani jenkins...it hasnt worked out obviously

Due to health
 
Not enough talent even when everyone was healthy. The coaching staff are trying to plug the hole in the titanic with chewing gum
 
Add Zach Cunningham, keep Kiko and Jenkins. That should go a long ways if we add better depth
 
Kdawg954 said:
I mean this all is being severely overanalyzed at this point.

Clearly Miami's focus this offseason was to give Gase everything he wanted/needed on offense and get by on defense for a year with short term free agency pickups. Ironically the only MUST HAVE on defense was a CB and that is what we got . . . and even he was hurt for a lion's share of the season

Part of the reasoning for that is, scouts knew exactly how loaded this upcoming draft was on defense.

I mean we are 10-6 with an improved OLine, improved QB play and the best set of skill players on offense that we have had in a decade (I rate that Chambers/Booker/Welker trio highly).

You can't fix it all in one offseason, not when you make a hard stance to blow up the turds from 2013 and take on all that dead cap. People forget, in 2013 we drafted Jordan, used a 2nd to trade up for him, Jamar Taylor and Will Davis . . . and we signed Ellerbe and Wheeler. Thats 2 CBs (2nd and 3rd), 2 LBs and a DE (first and 2nd round pick) . . . 3 years ago, and all we have left from those assets is a glimmer of hope from Dion Jordan.

Vance Joseph knows his personnel and he knows what guys can and can't do.

Williams hasn't worked out . . . it doesn't always work out, but Branch/Wake has. Lippett has made tremendous strides and Alonso had a solid season. Maxwell has played well. The thing that hurt us is, we were always going to be a thin team on defense and we have just been hammered by injuries at positions where we just could not afford them.

And yet here we are . . . . playing our first playoff game in 8 years. With 2 OLBs that would probably be street free agents/special teams only guys and 2 safeties . . . one we picked up off the street and the other is a special teams captain.

Enjoy this taste of the playoffs this year . . . and work towards adding assets to this defense this offseason. Stop lamenting the Carroo trade up and make use of what you do have.
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Well said Amigo.
 
Kiko broke that thumb 6 weeks ago to the day of our wc game

Would help if hed get that cast off...less dropping the shoulder more wrapping up
 
hoops said:
I really think they banked on jelani jenkins...it hasnt worked out obviously

Due to health
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I hope this staff is smarter than to bank on a scrub like Jenkins. He may be better than what we are putting out there right now but he is a below average NFL linebacker who needs to be replaced.
 
Fin_Of_Steel said:
As we saw back in October, Gase is not afraid to shake things up. Releasing Turner and Thomas is not something any of the recent regimes would have done, but Gase did what he felt was necessary. Now, I think we all agree that personnel was the main reason for the defense's struggles this season, and I'm wondering why he didn't instill the same kind of tough love on that side of the ball.
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Dude, we r missing 2 starting linebackers, 2 starting safeties and a starting cornerback. Who is he going to be hard on?
 
Keep in mind that Maxwell was benched, with resulting improved play. Williams was moved from starter to rotation and then had his snap counts dramatically reduced. These are the obvious ones. I'm guessing there are some snap count fluctuations that have messages in them.

If the LB unit was not the triage from M*A*S*H, there may have been some more moves there...

I think there were statements made and messages sent...just more subtle than Hand over your playbook. Good luck to you...that we saw with Thomas, Turner and Douglas

I do agree with SoS...I look forward to the day when Gase has the O running like a fine tuned watch and gets a bit more engaged with the D side...
 
Regulus said:
I hope this staff is smarter than to bank on a scrub like Jenkins. He may be better than what we are putting out there right now but he is a below average NFL linebacker who needs to be replaced.
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He hasnt always been a scrub
 
On the D side who was he going to cut the linebackers for? The defense is hurting injury wise. The reason he could cut the three stooges on the o line was because the depth was there to actually get rid of them. On the D who is going to play instead? The next guy that's working at a grocery store? This off season has to be about adding talent and depth on the defense.
 
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