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Yes this is revisionist 20-20 hindsight all the way. But looking back, we should have known everything when we saw the Dolphins captains. I remember at the time thinking it was odd, but mostly dismissed it as unimportant. I think it was actually telling.

This isn’t just about Tua not being captain either. While very telling itself not having your starting QB picked, it’s actually not even the most concerning of the captain choices. How about Jesse Davis? A career barely starting caliber player? Mack Hollins? Your 5th string WR? Jason McCourty? A free agent fringe starter? Elandon Roberts? An oft injured 2 down LB?

Those are the players you want your young roster modeling themselves after? That is just frightening. People will talk about their experience but you don’t see players like that as captains on any other team. Looking back I don’t know how I didn’t see it. This all goes back to Grier building a roster with no identity and no leadership.
 
Jimi said:
Yes this is revisionist 20-20 hindsight all the way. But looking back, we should have known everything when we saw the Dolphins captains. I remember at the time thinking it was odd, but mostly dismissed it as unimportant. I think it was actually telling.

This isn’t just about Tua not being captain either. While very telling itself not having your starting QB picked, it’s actually not even the most concerning of the captain choices. How about Jesse Davis? A career barely starting caliber player? Mack Hollins? Your 5th string WR? Jason McCourty? A free agent fringe starter? Elandon Roberts? An oft injured 2 down LB?

Those are the players you want your young roster modeling themselves after? That is just frightening. People will talk about their experience but you don’t see players like that as captains on any other team. Looking back I don’t know how I didn’t see it. This all goes back to Grier building a roster with no identity and no leadership.
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You are correct as well as Flores not being able to assemble a staff that can develop players, I'm as guilty as anybody being fooled by Flores demeanor. He's a fraud and they can't fire him fast enough for me. He's as big of a part of the problem with this team as anybody. I think he's a coward, I think he thinks he's smarter than everybody else yet he's never proven anything, all the guys that he brings in don't do anything to make this team better. I'm over him and I'd love for today to be the last day he coaches the Miami Dolphins, but unfortunately I only think there's less than 1% chance of that happening.
 
When I think about the regression of the offensive line that began with the Denver game in 2020, I was starting to get nervous, something wasn't right. Most fans pointed to the injuries, but the underlying problem was talent. Its reared it head in 2021.

The defense played an exciting brand of takeaway football and scored some points, in helping propel the Dolphins to a 10-6 record. Hard to duplicate year in and year out, especially the defensive scoring part.

The regression of the overall defensive play has hurt in 2021. Miami was near the top in points allowed and 3rd down percentage, in 2020, not so in 2021.

The player development or lack thereof in 2021 has seen Austin Jackson become a turnstile and Iggy in active for most of the season. Van Ginkle was entrusted with a starters role, when he was clearly not ready or capable. He was better as a situational player in 2020.

The entire offensive coaching staff has been less then stellar, often resembling confusion and lack of understanding.

Flores has somehow gone from fierce leader to an abrasive, hard to get along with and hard-headed HC. He's begun to coach desperate. Not good.

Gambling with draft picks by either making too many trades or drafting players who are reaches like Jackson and Iggy. This will set back the franchise, especially since the players part isn't working out, because they've not developed into what was envisioned for them.
 
I don't actually mind the swing for the fences 1st round picks. We've had too many years of safe picks that haven't produced a winner. Odrick, Pouncey, James, Parker, Harris, Wilkins, and even Minkah. Those are 7 of 10 picks from 2010-2019. Have any of them been spectacular? No.

So the idea that we are trying to identify true boom or bust players instead of slow and steady players is fine with me.

Now, are Iggy and Jackson booms or busts? We all see which way the wind is blowing. Hopefully it changes.

Maybe if we had assistant coaches that were actual pedigreed NFL coaches instead of HS and college coaches....
 
laxcoach said:
I don't actually mind the swing for the fences 1st round picks. We've had too many years of safe picks that haven't produced a winner. Odrick, Pouncey, James, Parker, Harris, Wilkins, and even Minkah. Those are 7 of 10 picks from 2010-2019. Have any of them been spectacular? No.

So the idea that we are trying to identify true boom or bust players instead of slow and steady players is fine with me.

Now, are Iggy and Jackson booms or busts? We all see which way the wind is blowing. Hopefully it changes.

Maybe if we had assistant coaches that were actual pedigreed NFL coaches instead of HS and college coaches....
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The Tua pick is obviously bad in hindsight (not saying he’s 100% a bust, just that Herbert was clearly the pick) but it was easily justifiable.

Jackson and Iggy were both major reaches that I wouldn’t classify as boom or bust. They were just reaches.
 
danstilldaman said:
You are correct as well as Flores not being able to assemble a staff that can develop players, I'm as guilty as anybody being fooled by Flores demeanor. He's a fraud and they can't fire him fast enough for me. He's as big of a part of the problem with this team as anybody. I think he's a coward, I think he thinks he's smarter than everybody else yet he's never proven anything, all the guys that he brings in don't do anything to make this team better. I'm over him and I'd love for today to be the last day he coaches the Miami Dolphins, but unfortunately I only think there's less than 1% chance of that happening.
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He has done an excellent job ensuring Ross won’t fire him during the season. He has hired a bunch of assistant coaches which aren’t qualified to be assistant coaches In the NFL, much less be a temporary HC. So he is likely good for the rest of the season because they aren’t in a situation in which they can get a higher draft pick if they fire him and just play out the season.
 
Jimi said:
The Tua pick is obviously bad in hindsight (not saying he’s 100% a bust, just that Herbert was clearly the pick) but it was easily justifiable.

Jackson and Iggy were both major reaches that I wouldn’t classify as boom or bust. They were just reaches.
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That's fair. I don't follow college ball enough to have an opinion as to how much of a reach they were.
 
1972forever said:
He has done an excellent job ensuring Ross won’t fire him during the season. He has hired a bunch of assistant coaches which aren’t qualified to be assistant coaches In the NFL, much less be a temporary HC. So he is likely good for the rest of the season because they aren’t in a situation in which they can get a higher draft pick if they fire him and just play out the season.
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I understand what you're saying, but I wonder how good of a look we get at these players especially Tua with Flores being a lame duck. I'm done with Flores regardless and hope to see some growth from a teams future players
 
laxcoach said:
I don't actually mind the swing for the fences 1st round picks. We've had too many years of safe picks that haven't produced a winner. Odrick, Pouncey, James, Parker, Harris, Wilkins, and even Minkah. Those are 7 of 10 picks from 2010-2019. Have any of them been spectacular? No.

So the idea that we are trying to identify true boom or bust players instead of slow and steady players is fine with me.

Now, are Iggy and Jackson booms or busts? We all see which way the wind is blowing. Hopefully it changes.

Maybe if we had assistant coaches that were actual pedigreed NFL coaches instead of HS and college coaches...
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Minkah has been an all pro safety the past two years, even though he earned that honor with the Steelers. Pouncey was a pro bowl caliber center 4 times between the Dolphins and Chargers. Harris was a complete bust but the rest of the players you listed were solid players during their years with the Dolphins, even if they were never impact type players.
 
Honestly I’m good with this post but take Mack out of it. I was a huge hater but he is all in and one of our old guys with heart ( gesicki is as well but he will walk because we will sign some scumbag off the street to replace him when he goes to a good team )
 
TKAllDay said:
Honestly I’m good with this post but take Mack out of it. I was a huge hater but he is all in and one of our old guys with heart ( gesicki is as well but he will walk because we will sign some scumbag off the street to replace him when he goes to a good team )
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Trust me I’m with you, I’m a fan of his. But realistically he has no business being the captain of an nfl offense.
 
TKAllDay said:
Honestly I’m good with this post but take Mack out of it. I was a huge hater but he is all in and one of our old guys with heart ( gesicki is as well but he will walk because we will sign some scumbag off the street to replace him when he goes to a good team )
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Isn't Mack the ST captain? Somebody's gotta earn the job there and clearly he's the most deserving.
 
Jimi said:
Yes this is revisionist 20-20 hindsight all the way. But looking back, we should have known everything when we saw the Dolphins captains. I remember at the time thinking it was odd, but mostly dismissed it as unimportant. I think it was actually telling.

This isn’t just about Tua not being captain either. While very telling itself not having your starting QB picked, it’s actually not even the most concerning of the captain choices. How about Jesse Davis? A career barely starting caliber player? Mack Hollins? Your 5th string WR? Jason McCourty? A free agent fringe starter? Elandon Roberts? An oft injured 2 down LB?

Those are the players you want your young roster modeling themselves after? That is just frightening. People will talk about their experience but you don’t see players like that as captains on any other team. Looking back I don’t know how I didn’t see it. This all goes back to Grier building a roster with no identity and no leadership.
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It was very telling. I mentioned it to a few friends. When your captains are NFL journeymen/backups, new guys you just picked up in FA who have not had time to earn the respect of the locker room and special team guys, you have serious leadership issues.

It's almost like Flo and Grier built this team to NOT have any veteran leadership or opinion outside of Flo's. If you don't have dogs on the field, guys willing to hold their teammates accountable, lead vocally when times are tough and show these young guys the way, you aren't going to have much of a bite.

And quite frankly, your QB needs to be a captain, period. If he's not the leader of that offense, he shouldn't be the QB.
 
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