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Since all our optimism is gone

First, my optimism is not gone. We now have a new coach and will be installing a new offense and I believe that will set the team back some, but I have not lost hope.

I never cease to be amazed at the number of people on this board who buy off on everything the talking heads say, accepting everything as absolute truth. Everyone needs to remember that those guys are paid to CREATE news and create excitement, even if it is negative in nature... it sells! These "reporters" have to keep the wires alive, or they are deemed a failure and fall to the bottom of the pile. The more controversy they stir up, the more "successful" they are. However, it is extremely rare for anyone to actually hold them accountable for what they predicted or reported. Further, they know when they quote "anonymous players" nobody ever can.

Take a look at the reports from the Manning courting process. There were proclamations, guarantees and later, there was backtracking and even self contradiction. Any one of us could have sat in a room and tweeted the latest "news" as we heard it and we would have been just as accurate. Why do people blindly accept what these guys say as meaningful????

Salguero, who I normally find annoying, wrote a great piece today. I don't agree across the board with what he says, but he evaluates the situation from a common sense perspective and I think he is generally right. The Dolphins missed on Manning because he wanted to go elsewhere, I believe that. However, I know they could have signed Flynn, but were not willing to spend that kind of money on a risky player. Flynn chose financial security over playing for the Dolphins. Who could blame him. Whether anyone here wants to believe it or not, he was a risk, just like Kevin Kolb, just like AJ Feeley, just like Scott Mitchell (for those who remember). Nobody knew him, or his real value more than Coach Philbin and the organization made a decision.

I am not overjoyed with the results of free agency so far, but I know great teams are not built there. I am glad the Dolphins don't have a Daniel Snyder type making the decisions.

I am pissed that the media jackasses have managed to stir up a wave of controversy around the Dolphins and now will do all they can to keep it alive as long as possible simply for their own benefit. To hell with honest reporting or accountability.

Does Ireland have an unpleasant personality? It is possible. Is he the only GM like that? I really doubt it. What I am confident of is that the truly good teams in the NFL have stability. I don't think firing Ireland is the answer; not at this point. I definitely know that firing him one month prior to the draft is fool hearty unless they have a sure fire GM candidate ON STAFF ready to take his place.
 
I am startign to agree with the idea of, "draft a ptential franchise Qb in the first round until you find one"....not saying that I think Tannehill is a franchise QB because I certainly don't think that....but it is looking more and more like we will end up taking him with out first pick. I am ok with that as long as it means WHEN he flops this year we are ready to pull the trigger on a real QB (Barkley) next year in the draft.
 
First, my optimism is not gone. We now have a new coach and will be installing a new offense and I believe that will set the team back some, but I have not lost hope.

I never cease to be amazed at the number of people on this board who buy off on everything the talking heads say, accepting everything as absolute truth. Everyone needs to remember that those guys are paid to CREATE news and create excitement, even if it is negative in nature... it sells! These "reporters" have to keep the wires alive, or they are deemed a failure and fall to the bottom of the pile. The more controversy they stir up, the more "successful" they are. However, it is extremely rare for anyone to actually hold them accountable for what they predicted or reported. Further, they know when they quote "anonymous players" nobody ever can.

Take a look at the reports from the Manning courting process. There were proclamations, guarantees and later, there was backtracking and even self contradiction. Any one of us could have sat in a room and tweeted the latest "news" as we heard it and we would have been just as accurate. Why do people blindly accept what these guys say as meaningful????

Salguero, who I normally find annoying, wrote a great piece today. I don't agree across the board with what he says, but he evaluates the situation from a common sense perspective and I think he is generally right. The Dolphins missed on Manning because he wanted to go elsewhere, I believe that. However, I know they could have signed Flynn, but were not willing to spend that kind of money on a risky player. Flynn chose financial security over playing for the Dolphins. Who could blame him. Whether anyone here wants to believe it or not, he was a risk, just like Kevin Kolb, just like AJ Feeley, just like Scott Mitchell (for those who remember). Nobody knew him, or his real value more than Coach Philbin and the organization made a decision.

I am not overjoyed with the results of free agency so far, but I know great teams are not built there. I am glad the Dolphins don't have a Daniel Snyder type making the decisions.

I am pissed that the media jackasses have managed to stir up a wave of controversy around the Dolphins and now will do all they can to keep it alive as long as possible simply for their own benefit. To hell with honest reporting or accountability.

Does Ireland have an unpleasant personality? It is possible. Is he the only GM like that? I really doubt it. What I am confident of is that the truly good teams in the NFL have stability. I don't think firing Ireland is the answer; not at this point. I definitely know that firing him one month prior to the draft is fool hearty unless they have a sure fire GM candidate ON STAFF ready to take his place.

Sheep, the world is full of them, and the media makes a killing off of sheep. It's only going to get worse in this new information age.
 
First, my optimism is not gone. We now have a new coach and will be installing a new offense and I believe that will set the team back some, but I have not lost hope.

I never cease to be amazed at the number of people on this board who buy off on everything the talking heads say, accepting everything as absolute truth. Everyone needs to remember that those guys are paid to CREATE news and create excitement, even if it is negative in nature... it sells! These "reporters" have to keep the wires alive, or they are deemed a failure and fall to the bottom of the pile. The more controversy they stir up, the more "successful" they are. However, it is extremely rare for anyone to actually hold them accountable for what they predicted or reported. Further, they know when they quote "anonymous players" nobody ever can.

Take a look at the reports from the Manning courting process. There were proclamations, guarantees and later, there was backtracking and even self contradiction. Any one of us could have sat in a room and tweeted the latest "news" as we heard it and we would have been just as accurate. Why do people blindly accept what these guys say as meaningful????

Salguero, who I normally find annoying, wrote a great piece today. I don't agree across the board with what he says, but he evaluates the situation from a common sense perspective and I think he is generally right. The Dolphins missed on Manning because he wanted to go elsewhere, I believe that. However, I know they could have signed Flynn, but were not willing to spend that kind of money on a risky player. Flynn chose financial security over playing for the Dolphins. Who could blame him. Whether anyone here wants to believe it or not, he was a risk, just like Kevin Kolb, just like AJ Feeley, just like Scott Mitchell (for those who remember). Nobody knew him, or his real value more than Coach Philbin and the organization made a decision.

I am not overjoyed with the results of free agency so far, but I know great teams are not built there. I am glad the Dolphins don't have a Daniel Snyder type making the decisions.

I am pissed that the media jackasses have managed to stir up a wave of controversy around the Dolphins and now will do all they can to keep it alive as long as possible simply for their own benefit. To hell with honest reporting or accountability.

Does Ireland have an unpleasant personality? It is possible. Is he the only GM like that? I really doubt it. What I am confident of is that the truly good teams in the NFL have stability. I don't think firing Ireland is the answer; not at this point. I definitely know that firing him one month prior to the draft is fool hearty unless they have a sure fire GM candidate ON STAFF ready to take his place.

I could give two s**** about the media and Ireland's personality. Bottom line is we have been losers forever and we don't have a QB. Irealnd has never even come close to solving this issue and has plenty of time to do so. If Ireland had built a winner, do you think people would be complaining about his personality? Being a perennial loser opens the floodgates to critcisms from everyone about everything...if he doesn't like the complaints, he should do something about it.
 
I could give two s**** about the media and Ireland's personality. Bottom line is we have been losers forever and we don't have a QB. Irealnd has never even come close to solving this issue and has plenty of time to do so. If Ireland had built a winner, do you think people would be complaining about his personality? Being a perennial loser opens the floodgates to critcisms from everyone about everything...if he doesn't like the complaints, he should do something about it.

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Why is your optimism gone.

Because the Media Says so.....

When I look at your roster I still see a very dominate Defense.

and Holes that can be addressed in the Draft,

Moore is a good enough QB to win in this league, and you can draft a Cousins later and bring him along right.

"good enough qb to win in this league" translates to journeyman QB who will never make a team a perennial contender. Quite simply, you can't expect to win CONSISTENTLY in this league without a QB. Some on here want to defend Ireland because of some of the roster improvements he has made over the last few years, and I acknowledge those moves, but unfortunately even Ireland himself has stated (almost every off-season) that we need playmakers, and an upgrade at QB.

He has failed to deliver on both, save trading for Reggie Bush (great move IMO).

Moreover, Ireland himself is not convinced we can win with Moore, he indirectly admitted that. So when the only real talent you have on your team is from drafting the safest possible players in the draft, it does not translate to a lot of optimism.
 
I could give two s**** about the media and Ireland's personality. Bottom line is we have been losers forever and we don't have a QB. Irealnd has never even come close to solving this issue and has plenty of time to do so. If Ireland had built a winner, do you think people would be complaining about his personality? Being a perennial loser opens the floodgates to critcisms from everyone about everything...if he doesn't like the complaints, he should do something about it.

If he was running this franchise the entire time you are talking about you'd have a really good point.

The day the Tuna left was day ONE Ireland was running the Miami Dolphins.
 
The defense is good. If we have a solid draft, we can compete. I still have some optimism, but that doesn't change my opinion of the FO.
 
I could give two s**** about the media and Ireland's personality. Bottom line is we have been losers forever and we don't have a QB. Irealnd has never even come close to solving this issue and has plenty of time to do so. If Ireland had built a winner, do you think people would be complaining about his personality? Being a perennial loser opens the floodgates to critcisms from everyone about everything...if he doesn't like the complaints, he should do something about it.

last season was his first year as the guy in charge. i think he did an excellent job (reggie bush trade, kevin burnett signing, matt moore signing, not signing orton, pouncey, thomas, gates, clay, wilson draft picks). if he had solved the QB issue also, he'd be up for sainthood. let's give him a chance to continue what he started.
 
If he was running this franchise the entire time you are talking about you'd have a really good point.

The day the Tuna left was day ONE Ireland was running the Miami Dolphins.

I have read a lot of what you have had to say about the Ireland thing, and I agree with a lot of it. I do not know if Ireland truly has been given a fair shot at GM because none of us will really know how much of an input he had when Parcells was running the show. I also think the media is piling on to Ireland and making him seem like a terrible PERSON, which I think is unrealistic, and pretty childish to be honest. With that said, I think Ross firing Sparano and keeping Ireland was the wrong move, regardless. Now whether it is right or wrong, Ireland (not Philbin) will be shouldering 100% of the blame for everything that goes wrong. Ross should ahve made a clean break, and started with a completely new FO free of any type of league/fanbase stigma (rightful or not).

Having said that, I believe that unfortunately still, the ideology of the Tuna remains unchanged, even after he left. NONE of the moves Ireland made so far makes me think it will be any different, nor does it convince me Ireland did not have a LARGE of the say when Tuna was here. Pouncey at 15 WREAKS like Tuna to me....
 
Why is your optimism gone.

Because the Media Says so.....

When I look at your roster I still see a very dominate Defense.

and Holes that can be addressed in the Draft,

Moore is a good enough QB to win in this league, and you can draft a Cousins later and bring him along right.

I appreciate your sentiment but you know ****s hit rock bottom when Bill's fans are coming in here to offer their condolences. Sad decade to be a dolphins fan.
 
I have read a lot of what you have had to say about the Ireland thing, and I agree with a lot of it. I do not know if Ireland truly has been given a fair shot at GM because none of us will really know how much of an input he had when Parcells was running the show. I also think the media is piling on to Ireland and making him seem like a terrible PERSON, which I think is unrealistic, and pretty childish to be honest. With that said, I think Ross firing Sparano and keeping Ireland was the wrong move, regardless. Now whether it is right or wrong, Ireland (not Philbin) will be shouldering 100% of the blame for everything that goes wrong. Ross should ahve made a clean break, and started with a completely new FO free of any type of league/fanbase stigma (rightful or not).

Having said that, I believe that unfortunately still, the ideology of the Tuna remains unchanged, even after he left. NONE of the moves Ireland made so far makes me think it will be any different, nor does it convince me Ireland did not have a LARGE of the say when Tuna was here. Pouncey at 15 WREAKS like Tuna to me....

My thing is, if ppl are going to go after the man, keep it real, and keep the emotional drivel out of it. I agree with 95% of what the posters are saying, but I'm tired how ppl in general these days attack ppl at a personal level. People seem to be so blind when it comes to Ireland, they ignore any positives he may have on side, just because they want it to fit into their personal agenda.

In short, they sound like a lot of the talking heads on local Miami radio. It's like some Dolphin fans cannot think for themselves any more.
 
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