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So... we'll be about 23M over the cap. How do we address this?

If we can't afford Wilkins bc Grier traded for and overpaid Chubb.....

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I have been watching some Dolphins news.Where the way are contracts are done up we could be 60 million under the cap.Thats getting rid of baker and Jones.And paying some bonus checks to are ballooned contracts.It was very interesting how a lot cap hits can be reduce from pay out bonuses.
 
With a little creative work Grier can make two moves and free up a lot of cap room:

Currently -13 to -16m depending on which sight you choose to use, as I have said in the past this discrepancy has to do with incentive monies, workout bonuses and top 51 calculations.

Let's roll with -16m for the sake of this:

1) Trade Ogbah. Pre-June 1st and he saves you 11.2m. Post June 1st and he saves you 15.2m. This is a no brainer and it doesn't matter what you get in return for him.
2) Release or trade (doubtful) Byron Jones post June 1st. Either way it's 13.6m in savings.

Total cap savings: 28 to 25m range.
 
From a team-building standpoint, we need an awful lot over the next 2-3 years.

A DE to replace Ogbah, at least one starting CB, at least one ILB, and a RB at the bare minimum.
We might need a LT if Armstead can't give us 2 more years, and Tua? Well...

That's a lot of expensive positions to fill, but Ogbah, Jones, Hoard, and Roberts are old... Armstead and Tua are fragile, and our RBs aren't young either... and this assumes our line comes together.

GMs have to plan for this. Get that new player a year early when you can. Avoid the Iggy type busts. It's a lot... and no GM hits on every pick.

We've got 3 premium picks this year and we've got to go at least 2 out of three here to show growth. We're not going to get a stud CB, Edge, or Tackle with a pick in the late-middle 2nd round; we'll likely have to take shots at less premium positions and longer shots. (Gotta love our owner... sigh).

But if we can address these future losses, we'll go a long way towards fixing the cap issues. Imagine if we could land a starting LB, starting RB, and edge setting DE here. We'd fill three major holes cheaply. Or if a legitimate CB fell... again, it would really help.

You have to hit your holes, or the positions that you know are going to become holes. I think too many fans are much too willing to give up on young mediocre players... or players with room to grow. I'm always going to try to replace the older players first-- even if they might have a year left.

Because the cap is VERY real, and young players are the answer.
Chubb is Ogbah's replacement - done
Jones may still be here...jury still out.
ILB - draft a nice rookie with the Fang calling the shots - done.
RB - bring back Mostert and JW - late draft pic or UDFA - done.
Armstead will continue to give us 10-14 games for at least 2 more years - start grooming his backup.

Dolphins front office will have 40-50 million in space by the time we need it...just watch.
 
First off... let's start with a couple of assumptions and some background.

1) Next year's cap is estimated by OTC and Sportstrac to be 225M, even though the NFL itself has only committed to 220M thus far. So, we'll bow to their expertise and start with the larger number.
2) As of this evening, we are 16M over the 225M cap for next year, and at only 44 players under contract, the next 7 players that we'll sign will push us even farther over the cap. Assuming all 7 are total scrubs, this'll bring us to about 23M over the cap. ...and this is without signing any draft picks or even minor free agents like Rowe, Needham, Mostert, Wilson, or Riley. (Remember, only the top 51 contracts and dead money count against the cap)
3) Every NFL team likes to be about 10M under the cap at the beginning of the season in order to make mid-season moves... so we'll add that to the bare minimum number that we need in order to open the season.

33M is what we need to make... not to sign anyone, but just to survive with what we have (and no Wilson, Mostert or Riley... or a Punter, or...)

So let's do the easy money first.
1) Extending Wilkins is the first no-brainer move. We can reduce his 2023 cap cost approximately 6-7M dollars be giving him the 5-year contract that he deserves. It'll cost more later, but it will reduce his cost THIS (and only this) year. Easy.
2) Trading Cedric Wilson. With a 6M annual salary, he'll be easy to move. This is chump change for a starting receiver. We won't get more than a late round pick for him, but we can offload 6M in cap charges (which will be offset by about 1M when the 52nd highest paid player moves up to 51). So net savings of 5M.
3) Cut Keion Crossen. This will save a little over 2 Million (remember, his lost 3 million will partially be offset when the next 52nd man moves into the cap. So, net savings of about 2M. (we could probably save 1M by keeping him and demanding a pay cut, but so many want to cut him despite the small savings).

So... the easy moves generate only maybe 13.5M in actual cap savings. So... we still need to make another 19M just to see no improvement.

Now it gets harder...
1) We don't really have any extendable players after Wilkins. It's too soon for Tua or Waddle, Baker is probably on his eventual way out, and the other contracts are too new.
2) A lot of people think cutting Byron Jones is a no-brainer, but mostly because they really don't understand how the post June 1st designation works... Yes, it would save us 13.6M against the cap this year, but most don't understand that this would leave us with 4M in dead money this year, and a further 10M in dead money in 2024. So even less money on next year's cap when we'll be juggling again... even more so. This also means we start Kohou and Hoard on the boundaries and maybe Williams or Iggy at the nickel. Or maybe spend that 2nd rounder on a CB and pray... amiright?
It isn't a no brainer... if he's healthy, and if the rumours that he ducked working are wrong, it's best to keep him and let his money slide off gradually-- unless you think we can dump him and then buy ANOTHER expensive CB?
3) "Cut that rat bastard Cethan Carter", some say. Newsflash... He makes 2.3M and replacing him on the 51 would cost us that 1M that I keep talking about. So... very little.
4) Sometimes you hear... cut Ogbah and/or Sanders... Nope, their salaries are guaranteed. We pay them whether they are here or not. So scratch that. We can cut them next year, and we will.

So... are you ready for reality? We are still at 19M and we haven't resigned any of our own. We haven't brought in a vet QB. We haven't brought in a swing tackle. Hell... we barely have 51 players.

So... where is all this money coming from. You just have to go to the list of players whose cap charges are 10M/year or more and have a high salary that can be converted to bonus. There are exactly 6 of them. Ready? Hill (base salary 16m), Chubb (19.4 base), Armstead (9M base), Byron Jones (already discussed), Ogbah (15M base), Baker (8M base). (Hoard already has a very small base)

Yeah... Three guys we just signed (one of whom is always injured). One coming of a back injury, and two we want to get rid of... wheee! Are you excited yet?

So, we're down to Chubb and Hill right? Yeah... me too, but you know what that means; there will be a huge dead cap figure in their future. On top of the dead cap coming from Hoard and Jones.

Sure... go ahead... these things are invisible right?? Suuuure they are. The cap isn't real; that guy on the podcast said so.

We are heading for a couple of years with 20-30M dead caps if we do this... even worse if we stupidly sign any tier 1 free agents this year. We have too much money tied up in non QBs to have this work for more than 2 years. Enjoy it... it won't last.
For starters Drop Byron Jones "14m sitting at home" A$$
 
Wilkins going anywhere.

His number will reduced with an extension, its not even a thought to create a new hole on this team.

The only way it would be considered is if we are offered a top 20 pick and we can sign a guy like Daron Payne. Too many moving parts for that to happen though.

He will get a deal that reduces his 2023 cap hit by about half, is my prediction.

We need to unload dead weight, not our best defensive player.

See this thread.... https://finheaven.com/threads/its-a-bad-year-to-need-a-wr-or-de-in-free-agency.377201/
 
You did not address what I said. They can structure a new deal in such a way as to have him count less against the cap next season than the 5th year option. In general, I'm not in favor of that approach, but Wilkins is the kind of player that I feel fairly safe doing it. He's a very good player. He is hard to replace. He has proven durable and is a great teammate/leader.
Willkins is the cornerstone of the Dolphins D.
 
Seems like we will be fielding the same team as this year and maybe a few undrafted. Do we even have enough to sign draft picks? We seem to be headed to cap hell and the only way that would have been justified is a deep playoff run
Man Capt. - just you wait.
 
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