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First you have to give credit to Peyton – he was kind of a one man team last night. Our inability to get serious heat on him was really the death blow of our D, along with the inability to hang with Clark. Obviously we all saw major issues in the center of the field; our Safety play looked uncoordinated, overmatched, and someone please teach these guys how to tackle! Yea, Wilson looks like a bum right now and we can only hope he picks up his game – a LOT.

IMO the lack of tackling in training camp showed in general – we had problems getting guys to the ground all night long (albeit for what – 35 plays).

The OL proved they can be physical with an undersized D, though the Colts are bigger than in prior vintages. All in all the OL looked solid to dominating at times – but the numerous pancakes of Long by Freeny was kind of embarrassing for the #1 pick in the entire draft last year. Freeny obviously plays with remarkable leverage and his motor last night was nothing less than awesome.

Poor Teddy had a big time chance to make a statement about his game and quite simply couldn’t make the play. Bottom line, regardless of how you spin it, he’s GOT TO make that catch in the endzone with single coverage by a FA rookie! Everyone in the world saw the ball hit him in the hands… At this point I wonder if “the play that could have been” will wind up defining Teddy’s career; tons of potential but lacking in clutch play.

The Wildcat was so dominate, in retrospect you have to wonder why we didn’t run it even more. At somewhere near 10 yards a clip it was obvious the package was beyond the Colts defensive capacity – and the sheer power and angles it brings was never solved by the Colts at all. I’m sure they were glad to see Pennington under center as opposed to Ronnie in the gun.

Speaking of that – our passing game in general looked somewhere between high school and semi pro. Of course the “2 minute offense” looked more like we were running out the clock than actually trying to win. It was, in a word, inept.

I guess a big question now is do we look at Henne or just hope Pennington can execute the Wildcat sprint off the field more often? Seriously, this team has too many question marks in the future right now to not consider Henne – if indeed the staff see’s him as a real NFL player. Bottom line, we need some big play capacity and we can only hope Henne is more dynamic than Pennington. If he’s not – well the future of the franchise is still very questionable IMO.

Anyway it’s not the end of the world but it’s disappointing we couldn’t tackle and execute a 2 min O better than a high school team – so we’re obviously a team still under construction – which most of us probably knew already. The team played hard and they were motivated but in a few areas of the game we simply couldn’t hang.

Last, the usage of Pat White seemed more like practice than actually playing in a real game. We’re obviously still bringing the kid along – but I don’t see why we take the ball out of Ronnies hands just for Pat to hand off up the middle? I guess our coaches haven’t quite resolved what we’re all about yet and we’re deciding that in real time. So we have 14 more chances to get some serious answers…
 
First you have to give credit to Peyton – he was kind of a one man team last night. Our inability to get serious heat on him was really the death blow of our D, along with the inability to hang with Clark. Obviously we all saw major issues in the center of the field; our Safety play looked uncoordinated, overmatched, and someone please teach these guys how to tackle! Yea, Wilson looks like a bum right now and we can only hope he picks up his game – a LOT.

IMO the lack of tackling in training camp showed in general – we had problems getting guys to the ground all night long (albeit for what – 35 plays).

The OL proved they can be physical with an undersized D, though the Colts are bigger than in prior vintages. All in all the OL looked solid to dominating at times – but the numerous pancakes of Long by Freeny was kind of embarrassing for the #1 pick in the entire draft last year. Freeny obviously plays with remarkable leverage and his motor last night was nothing less than awesome.

Poor Teddy had a big time chance to make a statement about his game and quite simply couldn’t make the play. Bottom line, regardless of how you spin it, he’s GOT TO make that catch in the endzone with single coverage by a FA rookie! Everyone in the world saw the ball hit him in the hands… At this point I wonder if “the play that could have been” will wind up defining Teddy’s career; tons of potential but lacking in clutch play.

The Wildcat was so dominate, in retrospect you have to wonder why we didn’t run it even more. At somewhere near 10 yards a clip it was obvious the package was beyond the Colts defensive capacity – and the sheer power and angles it brings was never solved by the Colts at all. I’m sure they were glad to see Pennington under center as opposed to Ronnie in the gun.

Speaking of that – our passing game in general looked somewhere between high school and semi pro. Of course the “2 minute offense” looked more like we were running out the clock than actually trying to win. It was, in a word, inept.

I guess a big question now is do we look at Henne or just hope Pennington can execute the Wildcat sprint off the field more often? Seriously, this team has too many question marks in the future right now to not consider Henne – if indeed the staff see’s him as a real NFL player. Bottom line, we need some big play capacity and we can only hope Henne is more dynamic than Pennington. If he’s not – well the future of the franchise is still very questionable IMO.

Anyway it’s not the end of the world but it’s disappointing we couldn’t tackle and execute a 2 min O better than a high school team – so we’re obviously a team still under construction – which most of us probably knew already. The team played hard and they were motivated but in a few areas of the game we simply couldn’t hang.

Last, the usage of Pat White seemed more like practice than actually playing in a real game. We’re obviously still bringing the kid along – but I don’t see why we take the ball out of Ronnies hands just for Pat to hand off up the middle? I guess our coaches haven’t quite resolved what we’re all about yet and we’re deciding that in real time. So we have 14 more chances to get some serious answers…

I can agree with everything but when you blame Penny for the loss...I have to stop there. Is Penny another Marino or Manning...no...in fact he's more like Griese...but unlike Griese...he doesn't have a top receiver thats a game changer...unlike Griese...Penny didn't have a great defense that could stop anyone. Manning did his job...he got the football to receivers that ran after the catch...unlike what the Dolphins are able to do.

I fully agree with what Sparano said the other day...the Dolphins don't have playmakers...they have great runners...but it takes receivers to be dangerous...and we just don't have that. I also don't undrestand why they don't use White correctly...they could have anyone handoff a football...why are they restricting White?
 
I’m not specifically blaming Pennington but as the QB he’s the starting point of accountability for scoring points. And I’m also not saying Henne is the answer because he hasn’t proven all that much to me. But if the season continues south then I’d be in support of him starting – if for no other reason than to find out if he’s really the answer to the future.

IMO football is still the consummate team game but a major chunk of the loss last night falls on the center of the D. Peyton had tons of room to step up in the pocket and we couldn’t defend the center of the field – that’s why we gave up so many quick and easy big plays. More often than not we were simply overmatched last night down the middle, and the terrible tacking is simply unforgivable at the S position.
 
I thought Long played well last night. Certainly held his own against Freeney and Penny was really not under alot of pressure when he dropped back. Did I miss something?
 
I thought Long played well last night. Certainly held his own against Freeney and Penny was really not under alot of pressure when he dropped back. Did I miss something?

He got a lot of help (Smiley) with Freeny. Personally I was a bit shocked by the way Freeny (at 260lbs or thereabouts) literally put Long on his a$$ several times. The knock on Long as a RT as opposed to a LT was legit last night -- at least in certain places. I don't think Carey would have been put down the way Long was -- Vernon plays with better leverage and probably has better feet than Long. Bottom line, Freeny was very impresssive last night and took Long to school on a number of plays. We can only hope Long learns his lesson and improves dealing with speed and explosiveness. The good news is Freeny isn't on the schedule anymore...
 
Penny actually had a decent Penny game. He made some clutch throws. However, he almost threw a pick 6 on the out pattern, his throws to Fasano and Ginn in the end zone were off, although great catches should have been made, and he doesn't throw unless the reciver has his own area code....But we all know this, this is what you get with him good and bad.

Here is why we lost IMHO:
-The drops by Fasano and Ginn on suspect throws by Penny in the end zone
-The inability to cover the TE and then tackle him by Wilson.
-Wilsons dropped int right before the half that lead to a FG
-The 3rd and 6 run to set up a FG with over 3 minutes left and 3 time outs for Manning (my biggest reason we lost)
- The dismal clock management at the end of the game
-Ginn's dropped catch in the end zone

These are a what I remember, pretty much in order.
 
He got a lot of help (Smiley) with Freeny. Personally I was a bit shocked by the way Freeny (at 260lbs or thereabouts) literally put Long on his a$$ several times. The knock on Long as a RT as opposed to a LT was legit last night -- at least in certain places. I don't think Carey would have been put down the way Long was -- Vernon plays with better leverage and probably has better feet than Long. Bottom line, Freeny was very impresssive last night and took Long to school on a number of plays. We can only hope Long learns his lesson and improves dealing with speed and explosiveness. The good news is Freeny isn't on the schedule anymore...

I'll have to go back and look, but I missed the "several times." I saw one time where Long got his feet tabgles up when Fereeney did a spin move, but Freeney never got close to Penny on the play.
 
We lost the game because we couldn't defend the middle of the field -- that's as basic as it gets IMO. The O played good enough to win (my god look at the rushing yards and TOP) -- though we missed on a number of opportunities.
 
I just have a few questions in regards to some of the reasons posters have stated why we lost, as I see them happening almost every week.

-Lack of a pass rush on Manning. who exactly are we expecting to generate a consistent pass rush? JT is old, and Joey cant do it all by himself

-inability to cover the TE. Ive made the point numerous times now Parcells needs to get with the times and get a TE that is a pure pass catching, mismatch when on the field. You can ask who is going to cover the oppositions TE every week if you like. It aint going to be Crowder, and it aint going to be Wilson. Im sure Gates is licking his chops.

I said prior to the season I felt 0-3 was a strong possibility, and its going to happen. Rivers is going to post huge numbers, and I dont see the Phins winning. Last night is as well as the Phins will run the ball all year, and they still couldnt get it done. I saw numerous plays where Pennington had a guy wide open 15-18 yds down the field, 2 actually on that long 3rd quarter drive. On the replay I saw his eyes, and he was looking checkdown the whole way. At least some of you are already seeing that us "negative" fans might have actually had a clue what we were talking about. Ill give it a few more weeks for some others. BTW, still think the Jets and Bills are easy wins on the sked? LOL. I believe the Jets will have a top 5 defense this year.
 
For sure the lack of pressure on Manning -- especially up the middle was a big factor. But his OL deserves some credit too, and if we defended the middle and made some tackles it would have helped a ton as well.
 
Another point is simply the breaks of a really tight game -- like the dropped INT at the end of the half and the subsequent FG bouncing off the posts. Crap like that always plays a factor... And the losing teams get to debate...
 
I'll have to go back and look, but I missed the "several times." I saw one time where Long got his feet tabgles up when Fereeney did a spin move, but Freeney never got close to Penny on the play.


you did miss it then, because Jake was put on his *** at least 3 times by my count. I dont know too many elite LT's that have that happen 2 weeks in a row facing a guy they outweigh by 50+ lbs. Ill give Jake credit, he did play much better, but I still have doubts as him being a LT.
 
you did miss it then, because Jake was put on his *** at least 3 times by my count. I dont know too many elite LT's that have that happen 2 weeks in a row facing a guy they outweigh by 50+ lbs. Ill give Jake credit, he did play much better, but I still have doubts as him being a LT.

You bet. at least for now there's no question Long has a big problem with explosive players who use leverage. Getting knocked on your a$$ numerous times is abuse plain and simple.
 
Here is why we lost IMHO:
-The drops by Fasano and Ginn on suspect throws by Penny in the end zone
-The inability to cover the TE and then tackle him by Wilson.
-Wilsons dropped int right before the half that lead to a FG
-The 3rd and 6 run to set up a FG with over 3 minutes left and 3 time outs for Manning (my biggest reason we lost)
- The dismal clock management at the end of the game
-Ginn's dropped catch in the end zone

I'll agree that Penny's throw to Fasano was a little off, but the ones to Ginn were fine - Ginn just short-armed the first one and had butter fingers on the second one. I understand he's a little guy (as evidenced by the way he was getting tossed around on by the Colts D), but man, strap on a pair and layout for the TD! I like his speed and all, but he doesn't seem to have that aggressive mentality that a ball in the air is his. At times he seems too tentative and I'll even say afraid with the way he tries to avoid contact. I've been a fan of his for awhile, but I think I'm starting to agree with some of you who suggest that he may be better off at another position. Slot is mentioned frequently, but I don't seem him making plays over the middle if he's going to get popped everytime. I dunno. Disappointing. :confused:

The rest of your post I agree with though 67stang.
 
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