Something that worries me about Chris Grier

[67Stang]

Have you considered this? If Ross thought as you do, Brian Flores would not be here. Nor would all of the draft specialists that Grier hired. We probably would have continued, business as usual, overpaying under performing players and paying top dollar for primadonna FAs who never seem to actually make us better while wrecking our cap. Meanwhile, our new planless GM selects players according to his board without even consulting his HC and ignoring the team scouts. Heck, he wouldn't even have Grier around to ignore lol

Here is the thing, I never said I did not want Grier, just that his past worries me. I provided proof, not opinion as to why I am somewhat worried. I hope for the sake of the team he has learned. As for Ross, while I appreciate his financial contributions to the team which are significant......his football moves, knowledge, and actions have been less than impressive to say the least. The guy does not have a clue when it comes to football and has surrounded himself with the likes of Ireland and Tiitybaum. Ross' thought process has been a sad joke as it relates to football operations. Hopefully he has learned from his mistakes too. I am pulling for Greir and just because I bring up his contributions to 20 years of failure, doesn't mean I don't hope like hell he can turn it around!

 

[A1.]

That's so disingenuous. If the picks fail, you'll blame Grier 100% and you know it. It doesn't work both ways. Grier has final say. Doesn't matter who is in his ear.

no, I wouldn’t.

I’ve been saying for awhile that this team has flores all over it.

And I’ve given Grier credit where it’s due. I was also one of the few ringing Grier’s bell when his time came to take over. So get out of here w/ that crap

 

[AdamD13]

Grier is a hell of a lot better than some of the previous GM's like Ireland and Tannenbaum.

Seems pretty clear Grier and Flores are working closely and in alignment with each other. I thought the selection of Igbinoghene, Jones and Flores reaction after selecting Davis showed Flores footprints were all over this draft.

Kudos to Grier and Flores.

 

[Kdawg954]

Here is the thing, I never said I did not want Grier, just that his past worries me. I provided proof, not opinion as to why I am somewhat worried. I hope for the sake of the team he has learned. As for Ross, while I appreciate his financial contributions to the team which are significant......his football moves, knowledge, and actions have been less than impressive to say the least. The guy does not have a clue when it comes to football and has surrounded himself with the likes of Ireland and Tiitybaum. Ross' thought process has been a sad joke as it relates to football operations. Hopefully he has learned from his mistakes too. I am pulling for Greir and just because I bring up his contributions to 20 years of failure, doesn't mean I don't hope like hell he can turn it around!

Unless you can provide us with proof of Chris Grier's evaluations and definitive talent selections that made it on this team, hits and misses, then it really is a "burnt mission" to talk about his contributions to the 20 years of failure. The only thing you can definitively say is that Chris Grier had a role in the organization for the past 20 years. Thinking about it further, it is more likely that watching him go from scout to GM over that time suggests he has actually been a positive light inside of these failures. Again, he hasn't had a seat at the table since 2016 and even then he was in the room with 2 ego maniacs who demanded control over player personnel. 2019 is his first "definitive" time as the decision maker of personnel for the Miami Dolphins.

As for Ross, he is an easy scapegoat for fans to blame for the organization's previous 12 years. That being said he has usually brought in the guy we wanted to the best of his ability . . . both player and coach, money hasn't been an object. He has been denied public funds and went inside his own pocket to give us a severely lacking homefield advantage by redoing the stadium to our benefit (fans closer to the field, louder, sun over the opposing team, etc.). I get it, the Tannenbaum move was a miss, but if we are paying attention, Ross has been pulling proper strings for the last few years. You have an owner that wants to win and he finally has littered this organization with "football people" instead of snakeoil salesmen.

I said it earlier . . . I don't blame anybody for not putting their full confidence in the moves the organization makes. No playoff wins in 20 years does that to you. But the things many people have wanted from an organizational structure are finally in place and it becomes hard to ignore. Football people in the building, Single voice as the GM, strong instense head coach that seems like a clear leader of men, a full breaking down of the roster and a rebuilding of the trenches, drafting a franchise QB and I also believe we have the youngest team in the NFL (for sure if you don't count Fitzpatrick).

It is finally happening the "right way" . . . and that certainly doesn't guarantee any future successes but this is absolutely different from other approaches we have taken. If feels right.

 

[BennySwella]

Quite possibly the most ridiculous statement you've ever made.

Lol yeah right. I have made a ton more ridiculous comments than that.

You are right though but I meant that personally from a player personnel area. His trades have been pretty good actually. He got great return on them. But drafting has been suspect. Specially discovering good olineman and defensive ends.

I hope he proves me wrong with this draft.

 

[phintim]

Been around the phins for a long time back to Speilman and before. The Vikings draft under Speilman have been pretty decent interesting he was considered pretty bad while he was here. Ireland was hand raised and picked by Parcels by the way not Ross so theres that to consider.

 

[Guyute]

I’m rooting for Chris but fact is the only draft we know he had total control over prior to this one was last year. We had pretty high picks in the first few rounds at the outset and he picked Wilkins (solid but safe/obvious), traded for Rosen, and then Deiter. And none of the late round picks showed tremendous promise. That was a bad draft. Love Flores and agree he will likely help save Grier’s GM career

 

[Gonzofinfan]

I was looking at his history with us, which started in 2000 as a scout. In 2003, he was promoted to national scout and assistant director of college scouting. In 2007 he became our director of college scouting until becoming the GM in 2016. Now when I look back over the last 20 years he has been involved with scouting, in charge of scouting, and then finally the GM......our drafts have been pathetic. That is putting it nicely. At least 90% of our draft picks in that time have been HORRIBLE! The inability to draft has been by far the biggest issue on this team for 20 years. This has led to overspending and over reaching in FA, which has more often than not bit us in the butt.

Hopefully Flores' input and style has change the mentality of the types of players we are looking at.....but you can't deny Grier's track record with us so far has been pretty pathetic. Hopefully he can turn it around. However it makes you question how he was promoted to GM in the first place. I think a lot of it had to do with Tittybaum coming in and they needed a yes man. Just MHO. Pulling for him to turn this thing around!

I don't think its been that bad, We have drafted solid players over the years. People think bellichick is a drafting genius but why is it the best player on their team is a Free Agent ( Gilmore).. I can think of maybe 5 players on New England's starting lineup belichick drafted that are good players .. James White, Mccourty, Julian Edelman, and Joe Thuney.. Thats not very good considering 2 of those picks were made a long time ago and they usually have at least 10 picks every draft..

Grier honestly doesn't draft that poorly but unless you drafted an elite QB (Rodgers, Mahomes, Brady) your always going to look bad because your team can't win against those people.

The interesting thing I am looking at is formerly unstoppable QB's are all nearing the end or degraded.. If you take out Rothlisberger,Rodgers,Brees,Brady, Rivers your going to be left with a substantially degraded QB field because the young QB's aren't equalling out what we are losing.. Top QB in 2 years is likely Mahomes,Wilson,Watson and they don't compare to those aformentioned QB's in their primes.. I think we may get to a point where we will see teams with Strong Running games, Good Defenses, and Game Managing QB's able to win superbowls again.. Like the 49ers and Titans nearly did last year at that point THEN YES DRAFTING ANYWHERE BUT QB WILL MATTER AGAIN

 

[finfinfin]

What is your take on the rest of the picks?

Take a look at his Top 110 thread in the NFL Draft Forum. Of our 11 picks, the Dolphins picked 5 of the ones on his list--those he thinks will have success in the NFL.

 

[39wildman]

I thought he did great job so fur.

 

[39wildman]

I don't think its been that bad, We have drafted solid players over the years. People think bellichick is a drafting genius but why is it the best player on their team is a Free Agent ( Gilmore).. I can think of maybe 5 players on New England's starting lineup belichick drafted that are good players .. James White, Mccourty, Julian Edelman, and Joe Thuney.. Thats not very good considering 2 of those picks were made a long time ago and they usually have at least 10 picks every draft..

Grier honestly doesn't draft that poorly but unless you drafted an elite QB (Rodgers, Mahomes, Brady) your always going to look bad because your team can't win against those people.

The interesting thing I am looking at is formerly unstoppable QB's are all nearing the end or degraded.. If you take out Rothlisberger,Rodgers,Brees,Brady, Rivers your going to be left with a substantially degraded QB field because the young QB's aren't equalling out what we are losing.. Top QB in 2 years is likely Mahomes,Wilson,Watson and they don't compare to those aformentioned QB's in their primes.. I think we may get to a point where we will see teams with Strong Running games, Good Defenses, and Game Managing QB's able to win superbowls again.. Like the 49ers and Titans nearly did last year at that point THEN YES DRAFTING ANYWHERE BUT QB WILL MATTER AGAIN

You right as old as these qb are. They still better than young qb except mohomes,watson wilson and you add couple more too list as well.. it going boil down too team again soon

 

[Mazinator1027]

The Dolphins' drafts have not been bad compared to the rest of the league since 2012 or so. Biggest knock is we never made it a point to go for an elite qb prospect, but just from a hit ratio perspective I think we've been pretty decent. And now we got Tua so I'm content.

 

[39wildman]

Main thing is building that oline up for Tua.. that keys. The defense will get better. Offense need score point in future. We looking good for future..

 

[Kyndig]

I was looking at his history with us, which started in 2000 as a scout. In 2003, he was promoted to national scout and assistant director of college scouting. In 2007 he became our director of college scouting until becoming the GM in 2016. Now when I look back over the last 20 years he has been involved with scouting, in charge of scouting, and then finally the GM......our drafts have been pathetic. That is putting it nicely. At least 90% of our draft picks in that time have been HORRIBLE! The inability to draft has been by far the biggest issue on this team for 20 years. This has led to overspending and over reaching in FA, which has more often than not bit us in the butt.

Hopefully Flores' input and style has change the mentality of the types of players we are looking at.....but you can't deny Grier's track record with us so far has been pretty pathetic. Hopefully he can turn it around. However it makes you question how he was promoted to GM in the first place. I think a lot of it had to do with Tittybaum coming in and they needed a yes man. Just MHO. Pulling for him to turn this thing around!

One of the most futile exercises is to grade a draft right after it it happens. Let’s see how these players turn out first? Maybe u will end up being correct, but I don’t think you can tell with this draft right now. Besides, if Tua ends up being a stud in the NFL, that’s all anyone is going to remember this draft for. Having said that, by sheer numbers alone, some of these picks will be good and some will be bad, they will certainly get shots to play and prove themselves one way or another with this coaching staff and this roster. We took some very good prospects at areas of need.

 

[fansinceGWilson]

Here is the thing, I never said I did not want Grier, just that his past worries me. I provided proof, not opinion as to why I am somewhat worried. I hope for the sake of the team he has learned. As for Ross, while I appreciate his financial contributions to the team which are significant......his football moves, knowledge, and actions have been less than impressive to say the least. The guy does not have a clue when it comes to football and has surrounded himself with the likes of Ireland and Tiitybaum. Ross' thought process has been a sad joke as it relates to football operations. Hopefully he has learned from his mistakes too. I am pulling for Greir and just because I bring up his contributions to 20 years of failure, doesn't mean I don't hope like hell he can turn it around!

I didn't know Virginia McCaskey and Martha Ford knew much about football