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Soriano....

He's good. Really good.

And he'll be very wealthy very soon.
 
congrats to him. hes a great player. its even that much more impressive when you think about, him being in that big ball park, in that lineup, and then on top of that learning a whole new position. unbelieveable.
 
FinsNYanksFan13 said:
4th man ever in baseball history 40/40 and only the 2nd to do it clean!


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Barry Bonds alleged steroid use I think started after the season of McGwire and Sosa mashing with balloon heads. So their is no proof he was on 'roids at that time, just like nobody can be certain any player is not on performance enhancers right now.
 
djfresh47 said:
Barry Bonds alleged steroid use I think started after the season of McGwire and Sosa mashing with balloon heads. So their is no proof he was on 'roids at that time, just like nobody can be certain any player is not on performance enhancers right now.
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Ok, he is the second most likely to do it clean???
 
Quelonio said:
Ok, he is the second most likely to do it clean???
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Bonds alleged steroid use and I believe it is documented in Game of Shadows started in I think '99. So if you're implying A-Rod did it I don't believe so. It's hard to know who is and who isn't and if you look at some players stats and these include the "good guys" in the game it brings up question marks.
 
DonShula84 said:
He'll look good in an Angel uni next year :)
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He'll have 30 teams interested in him. Who knows what the price will be if Boston or New York takes a serious look.

Don't know for sure if the Angels will go after him, but a lineup with Vlad, Soriano, Anderson, Figgins if he's still around, Morales, Kendrick, Cabrera, and so on would be nightmarish.

Other teams...definitely look for Houston to throw their hat in the ring. They have money, especially after Clemens and Pettitte likely vacate the payroll, and the FO will be hungry after missing out on the playoffs this year. They could put him in left and finally trade Jason Lane somewhere or put him at second if they choose not to bring Biggio back, which seems heretical but is very much within the realm of possibility. Soriano + Crawford boxes = improved defense in left and, more importantly, 60 homers as easy as it can be to hit 60. Put him and Taveras 1-2 (Taveras 1, probably), follow them with Berkman and Ensberg and Huff and Biggio if he's there, and you've got a very potent lineup in a division with parks that reward potent lineups.

Baltimore is looking for another splash, and signing a fellow Dominican star could go a long way to get Miguel Tejada to stop browsing for one-way ticket out of the Chesapeake. Even though it would be a dumb move because all their money should be spent on a pitcher like Barry Zito to go with Bedard and the rest of the young arms, it's time again for Angelos to buy time in the Beltway with a big signing, and who better than a guy that O's fans have been forced to watch 30 miles south? Put him with Tejada, Mora, Markakis, Gibbons, and Hernandez, and the fragile staffs in the AL East will take notice.

The Giants, Dodgers, Mariners, White Sox, Phillies, and Cubs should all end up in the discussion somewhere. And my favorite dark horse team for all the big-name signings is, of course, the Marlins. They are infatuated with Soriano and were this close to acquiring him at the trade deadline. If they get a stadium deal before free agency starts, Loria will have to put his money where his mouth is and sign somebody, and there's no doubt of a few things: he wants to win, he will spend (Delgado, Lo Duca, Urbina, etc.), he loves all things Yankee, and he needs to drum up fan support in any way possible. Soriano, of course, would have to be willing to play center field, which, if he's smart, he would go there. He didn't want to play left because he feared it would hurt his free agency value as compared to second base, which is a legitimate concern, but he's going to get paid a lot, and an offensive force like he is in center is just as good as second. Center field is still not a premium offensive position with a few exceptions like Jones, Wells, and Beltran. Soriano would instantly make Florida's lineup, with the expected improvements for next year, among the best in the National League. Just for fun's sake, let's spell it out with reasonable predictions, assuming health.

1) Soriano, .290-45-100, 40 steals
2) Hanley, .280-20-60, 50 steals
3) Uggla, .290-30-100, 10 steals
4) Cabrera, .340-35-130
5) Jacobs, .275-25-80
6) Willingham, .290-25-80
7) Hermida, ?, but should be .280-20-70, 10 steals
8) Olivo, .265-15-55
9) P, and don't laugh, because the Marlins' pitchers were among the best this year, despite Willis hitting .100. Willis, Nolasco, Olsen, Johnson, and Sanchez are all good hitting pitchers who can all lay down a bunt, and if Jason Vargas somehow recovers from a beastly year and finds himself in the rotation, he'd hit .300.

Of course, that would be ideal. Someone's going to slip or get hurt, and it's not likely Soriano signs here. But that lineup as constructed has serious power, good speed up and down, and great averages/OBPs. This is all entirely dependent on a stadium deal being reached and a miracle like the one with Delgado and even Leiter that prevented the bargaining from going too high. Remember, the only major salary increases are going to Cabrera and Willis, maybe Olivo, and those three will probably make $17 million combined. Add a year of Soriano at an introductory $10 million, still only $390K for every other starter, the same for the other four pitchers, a couple of bench guys, say three of them, and another three relievers at that price, and you're still just at $33 million for 20 players. Fill out the rest of the pen and bench with reasonably good players (the pen needs a major overhaul, but spending more than $1.5 million on a middle reliever is not Florida's style and generally not smart), and even with Soriano you're talking very easily a $40 million payroll. Not big, but still much bigger than this year's and still plenty flexible, and obviously a big, big splash for the fans.

Am I crazy? Probably? But I did predict in October 2004 that Delgado would be a Marlin in 2005, and I was right on that one. I would be verifiably shocked if Soriano ended up in teal, but I wouldn't put it past Beinfest and Co. They seem to know how to pull these things off.
 
RWhitney014 said:
He'll have 30 teams interested in him. Who knows what the price will be if Boston or New York takes a serious look.
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Thanks but no thanks. I'd rather see my team spend the 14 to 15 million on pitching (both starting and relief work).

And there's no room for Soriano in NY, at least not the Yankees anyway unless he wants to play in Triple A until someone gets hurt and then he'll get called up.

My guess is he'll be a Met.
 
Ray Finkle said:
Thanks but no thanks. I'd rather see my team spend the 14 to 15 million on pitching (both starting and relief work).

And there's no room for Soriano in NY, at least not the Yankees anyway unless he wants to play in Triple A until someone gets hurt and then he'll get called up.

My guess is he'll be a Met.
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I write that whole damn thing and you only quote the first two lines? You...you...(censored)
 
RWhitney014 said:
I write that whole damn thing and you only quote the first two lines? You...you...(censored)
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I'm sorry I'm sorry. I agreed with everything else you wrote. Soriano, is a money whore in my opinion, so whoever shows him the most cash he'll be there. Of course if he went to FL he'd probably make the same amount as the combined 24 other guys in the clubhouse.
 
He's going to the Mets.

Omar has already told the higher ups he's going to be the Mets #1 priority this offseason. He can give him what nobody else can, the opportunity to play 2B. Not to mention pay him the most $$$$ since NYY won't go after him.

and they have a new stadium to open up in a few years and they want as many superstars as possible to sell those luxery boxes
 
Ray Finkle said:
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I'm sorry I'm sorry. I agreed with everything else you wrote. Soriano, is a money whore in my opinion, so whoever shows him the most cash he'll be there. Of course if he went to FL he'd probably make the same amount as the combined 24 other guys in the clubhouse.
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1) they are all money whores. Why hold it against Soriano?

2) this guy has never tested the FA market. He has always been traded from team to team. So to tag his as a money whore is just inacurate.

3) If he isn't a money whore then he is an idiot. His market value will NEVER be higher. He better get all that he can now. If he doesn't he should fire his agent and blow his brains out!
 
MikeO said:
1) they are all money whores. Why hold it against Soriano?

2) this guy has never tested the FA market. He has always been traded from team to team. So to tag his as a money whore is just inacurate.

3) If he isn't a money whore then he is an idiot. His market value will NEVER be higher. He better get all that he can now. If he doesn't he should fire his agent and blow his brains out!
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1) Agreed
2) He gets a bad rap after the 2B-LF fiasco this past offseason.
3) Agreed, unless he's the one deciding he wants to play in a certain place at a lower price. Which I doubt. But it keeps the Marlins in play, so I'll propose it.

My only thing with him as a Met is that he doesn't particularly like the spotlight. I remember him being very shy in the Bronx, and if he signs a huge deal with the Mets, especially now that they are WS contenders, he's going to have to outdo the season he's having, which won't be easy. Beltran had a tough adjustment year. Soriano's personality is more fragile, so I personally think he'd be better off in a quieter place than Flushing.
 
MikeO said:
1) they are all money whores. Why hold it against Soriano?

2) this guy has never tested the FA market. He has always been traded from team to team. So to tag his as a money whore is just inacurate.

3) If he isn't a money whore then he is an idiot. His market value will NEVER be higher. He better get all that he can now. If he doesn't he should fire his agent and blow his brains out!
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1.) I'm not.

2.) I just think he's just like the other 95% of pro players. I think that if a team like KC or Tampa Bay offers him 4 years 16 million and a team like Chicago or LA offers him 4 years 14 million he'd be a Devil Ray or Royal.

3.) I agree he should try to get the most money he can.
 
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