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Start Jason Allen over Goodman at RCB/Tedd Ginn Jr over Bess at KR/PR

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So far to me, it has been pretty clear that Andre Goodman is our weak link in our Secondary. If Renaldo Hill, Yeremiah Bell, and Chris Crocker will be our Safety rotation, then we need to try Jason Allen at RCB over Goodman.

Will Allen is obviously our starting LCB and Michael Lehan looks to be our NB. Jason Allen is supposedly getting practice at CB according to reports, so why not replace Goodman with a taller Jason Allen?

I mean, at the very least, you can start Michael Lehan and have Jason Allen be your NB. But I'd rather see what Jason Allen can do at starting RCB with Michael Lehan manning the NB spot.

Goodman could serve better as a 4th CB and play more Special Teams. He obviously seems to have problems with the deep ball. I saw this in the beginning of last season and a few times the year before that. Goodman just doesn't look good when guarding WRs who are bigger and when guarding the deep ball. He looks manhandled and confused.

Anyone else notice this? I think Jason Allen deserves a chance.

Then, it is a no-brainer with the KR/PR duties. Bess just isn't getting it done. Tedd Ginn Jr has shown us last season that he can be a game-changer as a returner. Why doesn't Sparano see this?

I hope that Tony is just patiently waiting for the right time to make the two switches. I mean, he did the right thing by replacing Crocker with Hill. No doubt that has made a BIG difference.

Now I'm waiting for him to make a switch with Goodman. That's 3 straight games he gives up a big play and misjudges that deep ball thrown at him for TDs or big 3rd down conversions.

Bess has not looked good at all as a returner...and Tony saw him cough it up with that bonehead move that almost cost us the game. Plus, he isn't threatening anyone to take it to the house. Ginn would.

C'mon Sparano....make the switch! Put Jason Allen in for Andre Goodman and keep Lehan at NB. And put Tedd Ginn Jr back there returning both kicks 'and' punts for Bess...he doesn't scare anyone.
 
While I agree that Goodman is the lesser of the two corners, I do not believe that Jason Allen is an upgrade or that Goodman's play warrents his removal.

As for Ginn...now that people are giving Sparano some credit as a coach...maybe some can give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to Ginn vs. Bess. Ginn will get in there when Sparano thinks he is ready...and as we saw on Sunday...he will also pull his *** just as fast when he makes a mistake...
 
I think what Bess gives you as a returner is the ability to give you those consistent 10-15 yard returns. He is better in traffic than Ginn and better at making cuts. I mean, for sure Ginn has a top gear that few have but he doesn't seem to have the ability to make people miss in traffic. He goes down pretty easily.

Other than that, I see your point.
 
Agree with you on Goodman, but there are really no indications Jason Allen would do any better. In fact, I think it's more likely Jason would blow a big play due to confusion, whereas Goody just gets manhandled (but he's where he's supposed to be).

I'd also love to see Ginn as KR/PR, but we don't see these guys in practice everyday. I'm sure there's a good reason he's not returning right now - we've seen him muff a few this season, and I agree with the previous poster that he has a tough time in traffic. Or maybe they want him to focus on route running.

On KR/PR, Bess' legs move pretty quick but he doesn't get anywhere too quickly, lol.
 
People overlook goodmans GREAT PLAYS for one out of position ZONE COVERAGE come back for a 40 yard pass... and still almost got on it.

weeeee.
 
There's no doubt that Jason Allen has the physical tools, it's the mental aspect that he hasn't seemed to grasp. It's frustrating as hell to think that he's a former 1st round pick, is an athletic CB who is 6'1" 200+, runs a legit 4.4 in the 40 and yet he can't push for a starting job.
 
Ginn is a return man. He does have the potential to be as good as Hester from the Bears. I dont under stand why he is not out there giving us a chance to take it to the house everytime.....
 
I think everyone can agree that this team has turned its self around since Sparano has taken over and I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt of his personel moves.

I think some of what we are seeing is game time evaluations of these guys as well, not necessarily the best guy on the field. I think we are going to be looking to clean house in our secondary as well unless some big improvements are made by all of our DB's.

My big fear about Ginn is he gonna take that big hit and gold onto the ball or is he not even going to try to catch it and just let it roll by him during returns. I think, but I am not the coach, it would good for him to take kickoff returns since they lack the hang time punts have and he has more of a chance to get control of the ball before a defender is ontop of him and it will force him to confront defenders to build condifidence in colliding and contacting his opponets. running through holes and never being touched and taking it to the house is great, and maybe fear of getting caught motivates him to run so fast but eventually he has got to learn to be physical and go through guys instead of around them. Maybe in practice drill drills they should give Ginn the ball in end around sweeps right at roth and tell the Oline to let roth go untouched after him.......lol. Talk about a sink or swim indoctrination into the nfl.
 
DefensiveEnd76 said:
There's no doubt that Jason Allen has the physical tools, it's the mental aspect that he hasn't seemed to grasp. It's frustrating as hell to think that he's a former 1st round pick, is an athletic CB who is 6'1" 200+, runs a legit 4.4 in the 40 and yet he can't push for a starting job.
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I dont know if I agree that his problems are only mental. I personally see physical limitations in his play as well. He has no hands. He cant catch balls thrown right to him, is that mental?

Honestly the only positive thing I have seen from him is he hits hards when the guyt catches the ball 4 or 5 yrds in front of him and he has time to draw a good angle on him to build up speed and launch into him. And on that note thankfully I have not yet to see him launch at someomeone and they make a move so he is tackling nothing but air. That much Ill give him but there is little else positive I have seen in his play up to date.
 
dolfan5223 said:
Ginn is a return man. He does have the potential to be as good as Hester from the Bears. I dont under stand why he is not out there giving us a chance to take it to the house everytime.....
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I think they mat be afraid he will cough the ball up if he gets leveled while trying to catch the ball and give the opponet the ball back inside our own twenty. Which is not entirely his fault considering he has no help blocking from the rest of our special teams. I really think our blocking skills on special teams is just horrible.
 
I agree Goodman is not a true starting caliber corner, starting Allen there most likely will be worse than having Goodman there and would be one of the worst decisions we would make. We cannot keep moving Allen from safety to corner, corner to safety, safety to corner, corner to safety. This is half the reason why his development has been hindered, and probably for good... If Allen is not smart enough to read coverages (which is one of his knocks) at FS, what makes you think he will be able to read them at corner (which is much tougher to play than FS)? Our secondary would be worse off with him at corner than with goodman at corner. The way to fix the secondary, corner issue is just to simply draft one high next April.
 
dolpns13 said:
I agree Goodman is not a true starting caliber corner, starting Allen there most likely will be worse than having Goodman there and would be one of the worst decisions we would make. We cannot keep moving Allen from safety to corner, corner to safety, safety to corner, corner to safety. This is half the reason why his development has been hindered, and probably for good... If Allen is not smart enough to read coverages (which is one of his knocks) at FS, what makes you think he will be able to read them at corner? Our secondary would be worse of with him at corner than with goodman at corner. The way to fix the secondary, corner issue is just to simply draft one high next April.
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i agree with all that. i don't know why allen isn't starting at FS - he looks good when he plays. i think he is better than hill and light years ahead of crocker. he a;ways puts himself in position to pick the ball off.

i think goodman has played tons better the last 2 games also. the first couple were just brutal to watch - i can't believe he kept the job over lehan after that. but it seems to be the right move b/c he was pretty much lights out last game. had some nice hits too.

definitely need to draft a corner fairly high. the depth from last year isn't there but there will be some sleepers in the 3-4 round range IMO.
 
that's one thing I can't grasp. Ginn can take it to the house anytime, but he can't when he's standing on the sideline
 
MrEd said:
So far to me, it has been pretty clear that Andre Goodman is our weak link in our Secondary. If Renaldo Hill, Yeremiah Bell, and Chris Crocker will be our Safety rotation, then we need to try Jason Allen at RCB over Goodman.

Will Allen is obviously our starting LCB and Michael Lehan looks to be our NB. Jason Allen is supposedly getting practice at CB according to reports, so why not replace Goodman with a taller Jason Allen?

I mean, at the very least, you can start Michael Lehan and have Jason Allen be your NB. But I'd rather see what Jason Allen can do at starting RCB with Michael Lehan manning the NB spot.

Goodman could serve better as a 4th CB and play more Special Teams. He obviously seems to have problems with the deep ball. I saw this in the beginning of last season and a few times the year before that. Goodman just doesn't look good when guarding WRs who are bigger and when guarding the deep ball. He looks manhandled and confused.

Anyone else notice this? I think Jason Allen deserves a chance.

Then, it is a no-brainer with the KR/PR duties. Bess just isn't getting it done. Tedd Ginn Jr has shown us last season that he can be a game-changer as a returner. Why doesn't Sparano see this?

I hope that Tony is just patiently waiting for the right time to make the two switches. I mean, he did the right thing by replacing Crocker with Hill. No doubt that has made a BIG difference.

Now I'm waiting for him to make a switch with Goodman. That's 3 straight games he gives up a big play and misjudges that deep ball thrown at him for TDs or big 3rd down conversions.

Bess has not looked good at all as a returner...and Tony saw him cough it up with that bonehead move that almost cost us the game. Plus, he isn't threatening anyone to take it to the house. Ginn would.

C'mon Sparano....make the switch! Put Jason Allen in for Andre Goodman and keep Lehan at NB. And put Tedd Ginn Jr back there returning both kicks 'and' punts for Bess...he doesn't scare anyone.
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please expand upon what you have seen in practice that would indicate that Allen would be better than Goodman.....
 
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