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Strengths and Weakness of the possible #1 player

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I think the #1 overall pick is down to three or four guys in this order (IMO)
Chris Long
Jake Long
Vernon Gholston
Matt Ryan

I like all four of these guys but here is my take on all of them.

Chris Long is a guy with a great motor, his versatility, and WILL be in every play, either getting to the QB or the ball carrier or blocking the passing lanes. He is very good against the run and is great at shedding tackles.

Vernon Gholston is a gym rat who also gets to the QB but tends to run himself out of the play and wont be in every play, but when he is in the play it should be in a big way. Gholston is a great prospect but tends to rely on his strength a bit too much and doesnt have a great burst off the line, which will work in College but not in the NFL.

Jake Long is the best OT in the draft, which is one of our biggest needs. Some of his weakness are his footwork which might make him a great RT and average LT. He also has problems with speed rushers (like Gholston). Some positives are his strength and his arm length are very good also he has huge hands which is a plus.

Matt Ryan is the best QB in the draft this year. Im not sure if he is worthy of the #1 overall pick though. A lot of the analysis are saying you cant pick him because you think he is a "Franchise QB". He has too many question marks to be considered a Franchise QB. We also have John Beck and if we get him some talent around him we can actually see what we have in him. NFL Scouts are comparing him to Alex Smith and that is scaring me a bit.
 
Sorry, I can't help feeling your evaluations are led by bias. I see Ryan as the #1 pick, and whenever I hear the words "impact player" getting out of the Dolphins camp, like we are hearing now, I believe more and more they are planting the seeds in the fan base to draft Ryan of even McFadden.
 
i dont hae bias here. i state all the facts about every guy. i just think chris long is the front runner right now along with jake long
 
A little bias not giving any negatives about Chris Long in the original post . . . here is my opinion.

I think Chris is the BEST defenseive player . . . but positioning concerns me . . . . he doesn't have the BEST speed for an OLB and he played 3-4 DE which he will be to small for in the NFL. He seems to suit best as a 4-3 DE . . . but I think he will still be incredible as a 3-4 OLB . . . but there are some concerns . . . noone goes w/o flaw. I love his bloodlines and intangibles that he will bring . . . and I wouldn't be upset at all if we drafted him . . . just concerned with the next pick and who will be available at OT as OT is our biggest need. I don't want to reach for a guy who maybe doesn't have a worthy enough grade just because we need to address the position. I don't wanna draft Carl Nicks when Cason, Sweed or Groves is on the board . . . because the other OT's went in Round 1 and he is the next best in the bunch and may be gone when we pick again. Either way, JT most likely is gone . . . and if he is before the draft . . . Chris may very well be the pick.

Jake isn't as nifty as Joe Thomas with the footwork . . . which is why analysts think he will have a few problems with the ultimate speed rushers at the next level. He makes up for it with his ability to DOMINATE guys in the running game . . . ala Parcells football. I think he will be a FANTASTIC LT in this league . . . and a luxury to have that running threat on the left side. I'm not nearly as concerned as others with pass pro because he put up 4 fantastic years at Michigan giving up only 2 sacks and only 2 penalties. Maybe Beck will get nicked up "a little" bit more than he would with Joe Thomas . . . but the play action game should be "a little" bit better and so would the running game. The guy is the BPA at the position we need the most . . . and is considered a top 5 player in this draft . . . even if he has to play RT his first year . . . he will be special on the right side . . . he is my personal pick for the team.

Its out of these 2, so I wont even bother with anyone else.
 
C Long is our guy !!!!! Stop being Bias You don't waste the top pick on a OT when this is a RICH AND DEEP OT CLASS. Put your glasses and look around you might just see there's no logic in it.
 
sorry but why do you have not listed one weakness of chris long? it's obvious because of your sig that you want us to select chris long but he has also weaknesses ;)
and you just posted few pros and cons..

sorry but this not a good evaluation ..
 
sorry but why do you have not listed one weakness of chris long? it's obvious because of your sig that you want us to select chris long but he has also weaknesses ;)
and you just posted few pros and cons..

Chris Long the only knock on him is his size for DE. He lost 20+ lbs to show he could be a OLB. Everyone knows the man can play DE like a beast vs the pass and run. So now he can do what BP and co wants him to do OLB or DE in our 3-4 defense.
 
I just can't see Chris Long as the #1 pick in this or any draft. I am certainly no scout but watching him play, and I saw quite a bit of Virginia/ACC football, I see a player who is going to be "good".

You need to get more than just "good" from a #1 overall pick. Unless C. Long is going to be capable of 10-12 sacks per year you just can't take him at that spot. i'd rather take Gholston who at least has the natural athletic ability to get to that level. Same with Jake Long. At the very least I know he is going to be a "great" right tackle, so if you try him at left for a year and it doesn't work out, you still have a "great" player.
 
I just can't see Chris Long as the #1 pick in this or any draft. I am certainly no scout but watching him play, and I saw quite a bit of Virginia/ACC football, I see a player who is going to be "good".

You need to get more than just "good" from a #1 overall pick. Unless C. Long is going to be capable of 10-12 sacks per year you just can't take him at that spot. i'd rather take Gholston who at least has the natural athletic ability to get to that level. Same with Jake Long. At the very least I know he is going to be a "great" right tackle, so if you try him at left for a year and it doesn't work out, you still have a "great" player.


Jake Long has slower feet and alot of scouts think he'll be better at RT in the NFL. Joe Thomas was worth #3 but Jake isn't as good as him at #1. Plus this is a rich and deep draft at OT. Btw Carey only gave up 3 sacks last year and we did very well running the ball behind him.
 
Umm Gholston doesn't have great burst off the line? Your jokng right he is the best pure pass rusher in the draft that has the quickest first step than any DE prospect. Not only that he can change it up and straight up bull rush you.

Gholston is the best 4-3 End int he draft.
 
Gholston is a good pass rusher but not very much in moves just a bull rush, also has a hard time sheding blocks. C Long has several moves to get to the qb and has the best hands of any DE for rush moves and sheding blockers being solid vs the run . Another knock on Gholston he has problems defending the run when the point of attack is at him.

Motor and heart Long never takes a play off and never quits on a play. Gholston has done both not having the heart or motor of Long.
 
Majpain said:
Umm Gholston doesn't have great burst off the line? Your jokng right he is the best pure pass rusher in the draft that has the quickest first step than any DE prospect. Not only that he can change it up and straight up bull rush you.

Gholston is the best 4-3 End int he draft.
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first off chris long is the best 4-3 end in the draft and second i have read that ghlostons first initial step isnt categorized as a weakness so that is why i put it down there. its not my opinion just what i read so i put it down for all the people. none of these are my opinions i just wrote down what i have read.
BTW, i think he does have a good burst off the line though.
 
zach8111 said:
first off chris long is the best 4-3 end in the draft and second i have read that ghlostons first initial step isnt categorized as a weakness so that is why i put it down there. its not my opinion just what i read so i put it down for all the people. none of these are my opinions i just wrote down what i have read.
BTW, i think he does have a good burst off the line though.
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If Chris Long plays in a 4-3 he will be better but 3-5 years down the road Gholston will be better. Gholston needs technique more than anything.
 
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