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Let me make it clear that I despised T.O.'s behavior last year (and his last year at SF) and I was more than happy that the Eagles suspended him.

However, it is difficult to pass up a guy like this - with Saban as the coach. Wherever T.O. goes, this is his last shot at succeeding. Perhaps someone is wise enough to tell him that. Saban's leadership may just be the ticket for T.O. But, there would have to be some items in the contract about behavior.

If we were able to sign T.O., the offense would be the most talented we've had at the skill positions, once Culpepper were healthy. If we lucked out and Ricky's appeal worked, consider:

QB - Culpepper
RB - R. Brown / R. Williams
WR - T.O.
WR - Chambers
TE - McMichael
#3 WR - Booker

That's as talented a set of skill position players as there are in the league. Only Indy would be as good. Of course, affordability is the big factor. Personally, I suspect we will not be able to afford T.O.

As an affordable alternative - Keyshawn Johnson is one possibility. However, he's not a deep threat and speed would really help this WR crew.

The O-line is coming together. Shelton is not a great LT, but he's a pure LT (1st we've had since Richmond Webb). And, he's the best since Webb. With Houck's coaching, the unit should continue to improve and build on last year. We do need either a center, RG or RT. It seems Hadnot is versatile enough to play either C or RG; and Carey may be able to play either RT or RG - so, another O-lineman would be useful if we don't spend $$$ on T.O.

If we somehow obtained T.O. the draft would focus on defense. Or, if we don't get him, then a good WR (like a Chad Jackson) would be a good selection. I don't think Huff will fall to us - he seems to be moving up rather than down. An O-lineman would be a possibility. I really like Deuce Lutui of USC. He's a mammoth OG who would fit right in. But, we should want to trade down before drafting him.

Defensively, it would be great to have another DB (Safety, ideally), LB and DT. Another possibility is trading down and picking up a Chad Greenway or Bobby Carpenter. Carpenter has great size for the 3/4 LB spot (6'3, 255) and with his speed can rush the passer. With Dom Capers, you never know. He could become another Kevin Greene type player.
 
what is it with u all who think that TO will bring a Super Bowl to Miami?? he is ONE PLAYER...there is no "I" in team. he is paid to catch footballs, so is Chambers, Booker, McMichael, Welker. yes TO is a good receiver, but just adding him wont bring us the best offense ever.
 
MustangFinFan said:
what is it with u all who think that TO will bring a Super Bowl to Miami?? he is ONE PLAYER...there is no "I" in team. he is paid to catch footballs, so is Chambers, Booker, McMichael, Welker. yes TO is a good receiver, but just adding him wont bring us the best offense ever.

That one WR would make our above avg offense into a power house. That lineup with a behaving TO, chambers, mcmichael, and Ricky ronnie backfield would push us to conteders immediately.

What is with you people that don't think he could?
 
MustangFinFan said:
what is it with u all who think that TO will bring a Super Bowl to Miami?? he is ONE PLAYER...there is no "I" in team. he is paid to catch footballs, so is Chambers, Booker, McMichael, Welker. yes TO is a good receiver, but just adding him wont bring us the best offense ever.


While it's true that he's only one player, the fact is that one player can open up a Defense and we may be able to score like the Rams did a few years back. With Pepper at QB, we may even be better than the rams because of his added mobility (assuming his knee heals).. We'll def have all the parts, it'll just come down to execution. Just think, Pepper to Chambers and TO will keep 8 outa the box. That will open up the run game. Randy can catch balls underneath or across the middle without the extra guys in the box and there's the run game. If we have both Ricky and Ronny, both guys will have fresh legs all season and can just pound inside. This could be a very exciting year with or without TO, but it sure would give us a boost to the Superbowl if we got him.
 
I agree that taking on T.O. could be a mistake, but I think he knows that this might be his last chance to play in the NFL. As for the draft they need to draft either a WR if T.O. doesn't come or a DB. What I would do is try to trade down and maybe pick up that 2nd round pick they lost for Pepper. Either way the offense will be much improved.
 
MustangFinFan said:
what is it with u all who think that TO will bring a Super Bowl to Miami?? he is ONE PLAYER...there is no "I" in team. he is paid to catch footballs, so is Chambers, Booker, McMichael, Welker. yes TO is a good receiver, but just adding him wont bring us the best offense ever.

There is an "I" in wIn though. His talent on the field could definitely help us win if he didn't tear the team apart. Think about it. As long as we get some corner help, our defense should be about the same. You add a better QB and TO along with everyone else and you get more points. How many games were we blown out last yr....almost none. Now UR in the playoffs where anything can happen.
 
I take TO with the right contract and keep him on a short leash for B.S.
 
MustangFinFan said:
what is it with u all who think that TO will bring a Super Bowl to Miami?? he is ONE PLAYER...there is no "I" in team. he is paid to catch footballs, so is Chambers, Booker, McMichael, Welker. yes TO is a good receiver, but just adding him wont bring us the best offense ever.

but there is an M and an E :D

But seriously, I think TO would make this Offense HUGE but only if we can keep him under control (Ithink if anybody can it´s Saban).
 
Why is it difficult to pass on this guy? This is a player that has ripped a part both teams he has played on in the NFL. I can't believe how naive some of you are about Team Obliterator. You think he is just suddenly going to change because he is with the Dolphins. It won't happen. TO is what he is....the most selfish player in professional sports history, and he will tear a part any team that he is on.
 
Da 'Fins said:
Let me make it clear that I despised T.O.'s behavior last year (and his last year at SF) and I was more than happy that the Eagles suspended him.

However, it is difficult to pass up a guy like this - with Saban as the coach. Wherever T.O. goes, this is his last shot at succeeding. Perhaps someone is wise enough to tell him that. Saban's leadership may just be the ticket for T.O. But, there would have to be some items in the contract about behavior.

If we were able to sign T.O., the offense would be the most talented we've had at the skill positions, once Culpepper were healthy. If we lucked out and Ricky's appeal worked, consider:

QB - Culpepper
RB - R. Brown / R. Williams
WR - T.O.
WR - Chambers
TE - McMichael
#3 WR - Booker

That's as talented a set of skill position players as there are in the league. Only Indy would be as good. Of course, affordability is the big factor. Personally, I suspect we will not be able to afford T.O.

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That would be a BETTER skill set than Indy has!!!! OK, I'll give you Manning over Culpepper, but C-Pep is still one of the tops in the league, and... T.O. and Chambers to me would be slightly better than Harrison & Wayne, or if not then it's about equal, Mcmichael is better than Clark IMHO, and here's the thing........... INDY has no RB!!!!!! We would have 2 very good ones while Indy has ZERO
 
WE NEED A CENTER to make the OL better ... period ... SHELTON helps, but ...

If we still have McKinney as our CENTER come the season opener ... that is NOT a good thing !!

Get a CENTER and some SAFETIES !!! And this team is set ....

Provided of course, CULPEPPER can go .... [even at 80 %] ...
 
Da 'Fins said:
Let me make it clear that I despised T.O.'s behavior last year (and his last year at SF) and I was more than happy that the Eagles suspended him.

However, it is difficult to pass up a guy like this - with Saban as the coach. Wherever T.O. goes, this is his last shot at succeeding. Perhaps someone is wise enough to tell him that. Saban's leadership may just be the ticket for T.O. But, there would have to be some items in the contract about behavior.

If we were able to sign T.O., the offense would be the most talented we've had at the skill positions, once Culpepper were healthy. If we lucked out and Ricky's appeal worked, consider:

QB - Culpepper
RB - R. Brown / R. Williams
WR - T.O.
WR - Chambers
TE - McMichael
#3 WR - Booker

That's as talented a set of skill position players as there are in the league. Only Indy would be as good. Of course, affordability is the big factor. Personally, I suspect we will not be able to afford T.O.

As an affordable alternative - Keyshawn Johnson is one possibility. However, he's not a deep threat and speed would really help this WR crew.

The O-line is coming together. Shelton is not a great LT, but he's a pure LT (1st we've had since Richmond Webb). And, he's the best since Webb. With Houck's coaching, the unit should continue to improve and build on last year. We do need either a center, RG or RT. It seems Hadnot is versatile enough to play either C or RG; and Carey may be able to play either RT or RG - so, another O-lineman would be useful if we don't spend $$$ on T.O.

If we somehow obtained T.O. the draft would focus on defense. Or, if we don't get him, then a good WR (like a Chad Jackson) would be a good selection. I don't think Huff will fall to us - he seems to be moving up rather than down. An O-lineman would be a possibility. I really like Deuce Lutui of USC. He's a mammoth OG who would fit right in. But, we should want to trade down before drafting him.

Defensively, it would be great to have another DB (Safety, ideally), LB and DT. Another possibility is trading down and picking up a Chad Greenway or Bobby Carpenter. Carpenter has great size for the 3/4 LB spot (6'3, 255) and with his speed can rush the passer. With Dom Capers, you never know. He could become another Kevin Greene type player.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying but I'm scared to have TO on our team...yes he's good but has a lot of baggage....it doesn't matter tho cos I think he'll go with Dallas....the other things you said I agree with tho.

Ozzy rules!!
 
PHINANALYST said:
WE NEED A CENTER to make the OL better ... period ... SHELTON helps, but ...

If we still have McKinney as our CENTER come the season opener ... that is NOT a good thing !!

Get a CENTER and some SAFETIES !!! And this team is set ....

Provided of course, CULPEPPER can go .... [even at 80 %] ...

McKinney was released
 
MustangFinFan said:
what is it with u all who think that TO will bring a Super Bowl to Miami?? he is ONE PLAYER...there is no "I" in team. he is paid to catch footballs, so is Chambers, Booker, McMichael, Welker. yes TO is a good receiver, but just adding him wont bring us the best offense ever.

NOrmally Iowuld agree, but look at the eagles record with TO and without....I think it goes from like 7 and 2 or something like that to 2-7 without him.

That is a big difference.
Still not sure we SHOULD get him and don;t think we have the MONEY to get him anyway.
 
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